I can't believe what I am hearing about Republican sponsored efforts to stop inner city voting. In many counties they are suing to have tens of thousands of voters removed from the registration roles. These reports are leading to actual investigations by the FBI in Nevada. Similar reports in PA, Arizona, West Virginia, Oregon and of course Florida.

This is perhaps the lowest thing an American can ever do. I know what Republicans will say on this board "The Dems are doing it to" Well that's just not the case. There have only been two reports, one were some volunteer took it upong himself to pay someone to register a guy in crack cocaine. Another place one fellow says he registered 37 times. That about sums it up.

James Tobin, Bush's New England campaign adviser has stepped down after a 2000 election voting scam was traced to him. In this scam GOP money was paid to a company to jam the phone lines set up democrats to offer rides to people in need of a lift on election day.

Sproul is another multi-state GOP election fraud company. They pay temp workers and make them sign a sheet where they commit themselves to not ask about who they person is going to vote for before proceeding. IF the person says Bush they are given registration forms. If someone says KErry they are either not given a registration form or their form is thrown out.

This is unbelievable and amazing that some of this is campaign connected. It's bad enough when you get a few idiots out there doing stupid things like paying people in crack, but to challenge tens of thousands of voters or to throw away voter registration cards! The GOP makes me want to puke sometimes with these dirty tricks. IT totally makes you wonder about 2000.

Nothing against Republicans, but Bush has them really brainwashed. Had Bush not been running, I might have voted Republican.

http://www.theskyiscrape.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2136

I'm not sure AZ's is actually voter fraud. You didn't provide any specifics of the lawsuits, but I do know there is alot of controversy here regarding illegal immigrants voting, and there is an initiative on the ballot to try to prevent it.

I do, however, find it hard to believe that the Democratic party is relatively free of voter fraud. Both parties are staffed with sleazebags that will not stop at anything to become elected.

I don't claim to know the specifics of the case you cite, but I don't see how challenging the rolls = voter fraud. If people are legally registered, then there should be no problem.

I don't deny that there are irregularities in some places involving Republicans. But to act like the other side is free of this is ludicrious.

How about the several thousand Democrats who are registered in both Florida and New York?

How about ACORN?

How about the voter registration drive in Florida that conveniently forgot to send the completed forms of Republicans into the registration offices?

How about Democratic whackos shooting up Republican headquarters in some places?

Isolated incidents? sure. but there's this crap on both sides.

Links please. And you still didn't link those 2000 election scandals on the Democrats side in the last thread dealing with this. Would you like me to link that thread or do you know what I'm refferring too?

some links:

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/ ... 2807c.html
http://www.10tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2458796
http://www.cincinnati.com/text/local/20 ... aud20.html
http://www.jsonline.com/news/metro/oct04/268023.asp
http://www.thestate.com/mld/thestate/ne ... 960726.htm

let me know if you want more. basically, if you just google "ACORN and voter fraud" you'll get ample hits.


and of course, still my all-time fave:

http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... /410190343

I'm going to agree here. Unless the FBI finds specific evidence of fraud, there's nothing "wrong" with suing or challenging. For all we know, some of the lawsuits may be legit.



I don't know the specifics of these cases but if the issues are known and in the press, you'd have to think that the law will be upheld. For example, if everyone knows that there are several thousand Dems registered in two states, then it's obviously going to be fixed, if it hasn't already. So I don't see what the concern is.

Thanks slightofjeff for those. I'll check'em out. How about those 2000 election ones. I tried searching for that and didn't find anything.

I'm just trying to prove that these shenanigans -- or attempted shenanigans -- occur on both sides of the aisle.

I heard mention on some news show that the results of this election may take weeks to know because of all this crap. Geez...and we are helping Afghanistan and Iraq hold elections??? We can't get it right ourselves.

About ACORN, yeah that was a mistake to pay people by name registered.

This doesn't mean anything slightofjeff. It's some kids being an idiot trying to make more moeny. So he registers 8 fake names and 20 people he registers. Most likely those people aren't voting twice and those fake names aren't voting. Jeff THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING AS WHAT REPUBLICANS ARE DOING.

When you challenge voting records here's how that hurts the process. From what I understand if you are challenged you get a probationary ballot that may or may not be counted.

I hope some of you take this seriously, read up on James Tobin and what he did in 2000. Think about what it takes to challenge a citizens right to vote. They then have to appear at a hearing in front of the accuser and a board and prove they are who they are and are able to vote. This is awful.

go here to find out what they are doing in your state:

http://vote2004.eriposte.com/

please listen to this weeks "This american life" here http://www.thislife.org/

A story from Philadelphia: October 18th

REPUBLICAN OPERATIVES working to re-elect President Bush submitted last-minute requests in Philadelphia on Friday to relocate 63 polling places.Bush's Pennsylvania campaign staff filed the requests, using the names of two Republicans running for the U.S. Congress and seven Republican ward leaders.Of the 63 requests for changes, 53 are in political divisions where the population of white voters is less than 10 percent."I think this is more evidence of Republicans working to....

that's all I could get without subscribing to the whole site. Basically they are trying to move polling places out of heavily african american neighborhoods to make it more difficult for them to go vote.

Well, if I was black, I'd be damn sure to get where I had to go to vote, especially in light of what happened in FL in 2000, and this kind of crap.

yeah, what better way to get back at them then to have blacks in a white area, that'll scare them away from the polls!

A message from Stormin' Norman:

Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf today issued the following statement:

"The Democratic National Committee is making fraudulent phone calls claiming that I have endorsed Senator Kerry. Nothing could be further from the truth, and I demand that they stop immediately.

"Senator Kerry opposed the Reagan defense build-up that won the Cold War. Senator Kerry opposed the removal of Saddam Hussein from Kuwait. Senator Kerry proposed billions in intelligence cuts after the first attack on the World Trade Center. Senator Kerry voted against funds to equip our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan with supplies like body armor and ammunition.

"I am supporting President Bush for reelection, because he is the candidate who has demonstrated the conviction needed to defeat terrorism. In contrast to the President's steadfast determination to defeat our enemies, Senator Kerry has a record of weakness that gives me no confidence in his ability to fight and win the War on Terror. His attempt to make up for these deficiencies by falsifying my endorsement only confirms my impression that he is not the man we need to lead our nation."

Schwarzkopf means "black head" in German.

That is about as interesting as he gets unfortunately