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he goes over a list of things that he things if he could, Kerry should go back and change..


"Kerry’s decision to ban the Bible. That was a huge mistake, especially in very Christian areas. That might have gone over fine in atheist communities, but it cost him big everywhere else."

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he goes over a list of things that he things if he could, Kerry should go back and change..


"Kerry’s decision to ban the Bible. That was a huge mistake, especially in very Christian areas. That might have gone over fine in atheist communities, but it cost him big everywhere else."


I don't have time to go through the link cause usually I get frozen.. computer fucked up. But I don't get the ban of the bible.. what is that about?


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Wednesday, November 03, 2004


MESSAGE FROM AL


Anytime you lose like this, there’s a certain amount of Wednesday-morning quarterbacking and woulda-coulda-shoulda. I have no regrets myself, but as I look back at Kerry’s campaign, there are a couple of points where, if he had it all to do over again, I think he should have done it differently.


For example, in the first debate, Kerry announced that he would put our national security decisions in the hands of France. He said very explicitly that we would have to pass a global test before using force. I think a lot of us watching at the time thought that that was a mistake.


Also, of course, the flip-flops, especially those about Iraq. Voting, as you know, for the war, then against it, for it, then against it-having, as Sean Hannity said, literally 80 different positions. I wish he could have chosen one position and stuck with it.


Kerry’s decision to ban the Bible. That was a huge mistake, especially in very Christian areas. That might have gone over fine in atheist communities, but it cost him big everywhere else.


And then proposing a health care system that would impose an enormous federal bureaucracy and give medical decisions to paper-pushers in Washington, and in France.


And going back to Vietnam, the way he lied about what happened, inflicted those wounds on himself to get those medals, and then threw them out-I think that was a mistake. Of course, that was a mistake that he made back then, decades ago. But he could have been more honest about it now.


A lot of people talk about Bush’s record, and what he might do in the next term, but what this really comes down to is character. And ceding your doctor’s authority to France, and the flip-flops, and shooting himself in the leg to win a medal-I guess those things just overcame the awful, failed presidency of George W. Bush.


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You know I wouldn’t mind losing an election if it were an honest disagreement, based on facts, over values and policy. But that’s not what happened. A large majority of Bush supporters went to the polls believing things that were false. For example, any of the above. They believed lies about Kerry, and they believed lies about Iraq, and they believed lies about Bush.


We’re not going to heal this country as long as we have a president who won’t be accountable, who won’t tell the truth, who is willing to campaign with a vicious dishonesty that is unprecedented.


After Barry Goldwater was crushed by Lyndon Johnson in 1964, the right decided to take a long view. They poured literally billions of dollars into creating the right-wing infrastructure that dominates our politics today. They built up the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Media Research Center, and now Fox News Channel-and many other organizations, above and below the radar. Though they won the White House in 1968, it took them thirty years to reach their ascendancy in 1964.


Our side just started. Air America went on the air seven months ago. Normally, incumbent presidents either win by a landslide or lose by a landslide, and a year or two ago, people thought it would be an overwhelming Bush victory. It wasn’t. For an incumbent wartime president, this was a close race. And we’ve created a movement to take this country back. Even though we didn’t do it this time, I believe that we will still do it.


The other side wants us to get demoralized, but we are going to fight. We are going to fight every step of the way.


Round two starts now.


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MESSAGE FROM AL

Anytime you lose like this, there’s a certain amount of Wednesday-morning quarterbacking and woulda-coulda-shoulda. I have no regrets myself, but as I look back at Kerry’s campaign, there are a couple of points where, if he had it all to do over again, I think he should have done it differently.

For example, in the first debate, Kerry announced that he would put our national security decisions in the hands of France. He said very explicitly that we would have to pass a global test before using force. I think a lot of us watching at the time thought that that was a mistake.

Also, of course, the flip-flops, especially those about Iraq. Voting, as you know, for the war, then against it, for it, then against it-having, as Sean Hannity said, literally 80 different positions. I wish he could have chosen one position and stuck with it.

Kerry’s decision to ban the Bible. That was a huge mistake, especially in very Christian areas. That might have gone over fine in atheist communities, but it cost him big everywhere else.

And then proposing a health care system that would impose an enormous federal bureaucracy and give medical decisions to paper-pushers in Washington, and in France.

And going back to Vietnam, the way he lied about what happened, inflicted those wounds on himself to get those medals, and then threw them out-I think that was a mistake. Of course, that was a mistake that he made back then, decades ago. But he could have been more honest about it now.

A lot of people talk about Bush’s record, and what he might do in the next term, but what this really comes down to is character. And ceding your doctor’s authority to France, and the flip-flops, and shooting himself in the leg to win a medal-I guess those things just overcame the awful, failed presidency of George W. Bush.

***

You know I wouldn’t mind losing an election if it were an honest disagreement, based on facts, over values and policy. But that’s not what happened. A large majority of Bush supporters went to the polls believing things that were false. For example, any of the above. They believed lies about Kerry, and they believed lies about Iraq, and they believed lies about Bush.

We’re not going to heal this country as long as we have a president who won’t be accountable, who won’t tell the truth, who is willing to campaign with a vicious dishonesty that is unprecedented.


After Barry Goldwater was crushed by Lyndon Johnson in 1964, the right decided to take a long view. They poured literally billions of dollars into creating the right-wing infrastructure that dominates our politics today. They built up the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation, the Media Research Center, and now Fox News Channel-and many other organizations, above and below the radar. Though they won the White House in 1968, it took them thirty years to reach their ascendancy in 1964.

Our side just started. Air America went on the air seven months ago. Normally, incumbent presidents either win by a landslide or lose by a landslide, and a year or two ago, people thought it would be an overwhelming Bush victory. It wasn’t. For an incumbent wartime president, this was a close race. And we’ve created a movement to take this country back. Even though we didn’t do it this time, I believe that we will still do it.

The other side wants us to get demoralized, but we are going to fight. We are going to fight every step of the way.

Round two starts now
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Liberals are just going to have to resort to the same tactics conservatives used to get in power for the last 3 decades: fear. Scare the living shit out of everybody.

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Liberals are just going to have to resort to the same tactics conservatives used to get in power for the last 3 decades: fear. Scare the living shit out of everybody.


Is sinking to their level really the best route to travel down?

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glorified_version wrote:
Liberals are just going to have to resort to the same tactics conservatives used to get in power for the last 3 decades: fear. Scare the living shit out of everybody.


Oh God, no. We mustn't do that. Seriously.

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Al is the man. Had the pleasure of meeting/seeing him speak on saturda night and he was really funny and great. He's feeling like we all are but it'll get better eventually.

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Al is the man. Had the pleasure of meeting/seeing him speak on saturda night and he was really funny and great. He's feeling like we all are but it'll get better eventually.


I think there's that little spot of hope on the horizon, and it's only 4 years away. Putting "Imagine" on repeat has lifted my spirits a bit.

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glorified_version wrote:
Liberals are just going to have to resort to the same tactics conservatives used to get in power for the last 3 decades: fear. Scare the living shit out of everybody.


they've been working on old people for 30 years now...

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glorified_version wrote:
Liberals are just going to have to resort to the same tactics conservatives used to get in power for the last 3 decades: fear. Scare the living shit out of everybody.


It seems like the factor the Kerry campaign was running on was fear of another four years of Bush. So they are trying...

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hailhail50 wrote:
Al is the man. Had the pleasure of meeting/seeing him speak on saturda night and he was really funny and great. He's feeling like we all are but it'll get better eventually.


I think there's that little spot of hope on the horizon, and it's only 4 years away. Putting "Imagine" on repeat has lifted my spirits a bit.


The APC version? I would figure that version is more suitable for today considering the election

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hailhail50 wrote:
Al is the man. Had the pleasure of meeting/seeing him speak on saturda night and he was really funny and great. He's feeling like we all are but it'll get better eventually.


I think there's that little spot of hope on the horizon, and it's only 4 years away. Putting "Imagine" on repeat has lifted my spirits a bit.


The APC version? I would figure that version is more suitable for today considering the election


No, the Lennon version. Though you make a good point. I want to believe there is still some of that Lennonian (heh) hope.

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glorified_version wrote:
Liberals are just going to have to resort to the same tactics conservatives used to get in power for the last 3 decades: fear. Scare the living shit out of everybody.



They already do that........

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Did it ever occur to you that those who voted for Bush (i.e. the majority of America) are not scared shitless, but rather (*shutters to think*) preferred him over Kerry?

Wow, this board has been an interesting place the last 24 hours or so. It's like everyone has gone back to kindergarten.

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