I realise the response I will probably get and that is why I am posting this.
It seems prayer still upsets some people.
>When Minister Joe Wright was asked to open the new session of the
>Kansas Senate, everyone was expecting the usual generalities, but this
is what they heard:
>"Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask your forgiveness and to
>seek your direction and guidance. We know Your Word says, 'Woe to
>those who call evil good,' but that is exactly what we have done. We have
>lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values.
>We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery.
>We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare.
>We have killed our unborn and called it choice.
>We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.
>We have neglected to discipline our children and
>called it building self esteem.
>We have abused power and called it politics.
>We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it ambition.
>We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it
>freedom of expression We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our
>forefathers and called
>it enlightenment.
>Search us, Oh, God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from every
>sin and set us free. Amen!"
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I'm all for people being Christian, JC's a personal favourite philosopher, butI hate organised religion and this is why.
Lottery- freedom of choice. Christian value.
Welfare- compassion. Christian value.
Abortion- realising that not every American is a fundamentalist
Profanity, pornography- you don't like it, don't watch it.
I'm with him on some of the other things, but that's still scary that government can be convened with a prayer.
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I dont know how I feel about prayer, I have been praying since 2000 to get Bush the hell out of the White House and that hasn't exactly worked, so I am put off.
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Its easy to stand up and give a speech on how the world is wrong. My question to the senator is what has he done to correct things (not that I agree with him on his views).
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Age 5. Nice. What Senator? It was a minister. Obviously it is not easy to figure out all that is wrong. Otherwise the N+D subforum would never be occupied. Some think abortion is wrong. Some don't.
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jacktor wrote:
I dont know how I feel about prayer, I have been praying since 2000 to get Bush the hell out of the White House and that hasn't exactly worked, so I am put off.
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zxlr8 wrote:
I realise the response I will probably get and that is why I am posting this.
It seems prayer still upsets some people. >When Minister Joe Wright was asked to open the new session of the >Kansas Senate, everyone was expecting the usual generalities, but this is what they heard:
>"Heavenly Father, we come before you today to ask your forgiveness and to >seek your direction and guidance. We know Your Word says, 'Woe to >those who call evil good,' but that is exactly what we have done. We have >lost our spiritual equilibrium and reversed our values. >We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery. >We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare. >We have killed our unborn and called it choice. >We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable. >We have neglected to discipline our children and >called it building self esteem. >We have abused power and called it politics. >We have coveted our neighbor's possessions and called it ambition. >We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it >freedom of expression We have ridiculed the time-honored values of our >forefathers and called >it enlightenment. >Search us, Oh, God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from every >sin and set us free. Amen!"
My parents are hardcore members. We even have the bumper sticker
Do you have to be a member in order to get a bumper sticker? I looked around the site and couldn't find anyplace where they sold them. I want one, just for shits 'n grins.
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That wasn't a prayer. That was a man pretending to pray as a context for pushing his religious beliefs into a secular setting.
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