Post subject: Sorry i had to get this off my Chest, please dont lock!
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:42 pm
Johnny Guitar
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:03 am Posts: 199 Location: SOUTH PHILADELPHIA
Pardon the Grammatical and other errors, it was rushed and in anger!
S.P.E.D- Severe Post-Election Depression
1. Wednesday November 3rd, 2004 - The Day my Heart Broke
I don't even know where to start , My whole world has been flipped upside down. How can this happen?, How can 59 million Americans be so oblivious. Sure I know a lot of people did not like Kerry, and that is fine, but at least give him a fucking chance, we already know what results came from the Bush administration, it was time for change , a change for the better, a change for the future, a FUCKING change. GWB did everything wrong during his First four years, everything! and worst of all most of it was not hidden, it was plain as day to see. Iraq, the Economy, Health care, Education , the Environment, fighting terrorism, all fucked in the ass by GWB. nothing of value has come out of this administration , NOTHING.
I feel so angry and depressed, and hopeless. I am dead serious when I say that I am fucking sad, I can feel it, my body is hurting, I have never felt like this in my life . Not even family deaths have put me in this state of despair. I invested so much of my life in to politics and this election, becuase I was sure that I was going to make a difference and get that mother fucker out of office. It started in 2000, I was a recent graduate of high school , and I didnt really have that much care for politics, I wasnt old enough to vote, but I didnt like either candidate, Gore or Bush, especially Bush, so if I was old enough- my vote would have went to Nader. But my political life started the day after the election. when I saw how it was handled in Florida. Gore was robbed and I felt really bad for him, because as much as I didnt like him , deep down inside I had the feeling that he was going to win anyway and I wanted him to win, he was a democrat who shared many of my beliefs. But to deny someone to recount votes just to make sure that everything was right and fair ,it was absurd. What was the big problem, they were just making sure, and then they brought it to the Supreme court , the first time in history when the Supreme court decided who won the election in a very partisan way. From there on, I focused so much on government and politics. It quickly became apparent that Bush had no idea what he was doing in office and it was really annoying.
But then came 911, the day when our country had its darkest hour, a day when America finally realized that we were vulnerable and that yes we are hated in the world. and I will admit that day and in the months afterwards I felt really sorry for Bush to be put into that situation, and I backed him because at that point I thought for once he really did have the best interests of the people. But then came the Patriot act which was overwhelmingly unnecessary.,yes many things contained in it were apt, but a large portion of it was in direct objection to privacy, and equal rights. but I still gave Bush the benefit of the doubt, I didnt like him , but he was in a tough situation . Afghanistan, in my opinion was the right thing to do because it was noted that Osama bin laden was there, as well as Al Qadea and the Taliban. I am not a big war person but when it is necessary then we must , and I thought it was after 911. everything was going well and I thought it would be in a matter of time until Osama was caught.
But then, the one thing that threw me off the bridge, IRAQ. right when he and his administration started to bring it up I knew that he didnt have the people's interests in his mind but his own. IRAQ? WTF. I just kept thinking what the hell does Iraq have to do with anything. Then they say Saddam was connected to 911 and they have "WMD's:", and I said WHAT?. FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR , do you want some more FEAR, WATCH OUT BEHIND YOU A TERRORIST!!!!! Then their huge campaign to get this war, it was inevitable, they wanted it and they were going to get it . What for , WHY? Democracy? Saddam? 911? , or was it for OIL? to show off our military might? to please Haliburton? Lockheed-Martin? . Why is it ok to kill thousands of innocent lives , families , mothers, fathers, daughters, sons, brothers, sisters, Fucking Real People, we might not know them , but these were peaceful people of Iraq, and they were just being killed, Our own soldiers are forced to leave their own families to risk their own lives for a war that was unjust and completely personal for Bush. Now ,there is no clear plan of getting out of there , another fucking Vietnam, and our soldiers are dying by the hour for nothing . there were no wmd's no connection to 911. If it was a family member of mine sent over to Iraq I would be fucking pissed that they might be killed for no purpose. Well now Iraq has become a fucking wasteland of terror and death . There is mass chaos and people being slaughtered every day , car bombings and mortar attacks, things that weren't there before we invaded, this was not a terrorist state , but it sure the fuck is now , terrorists are coming in by the car load( no pun intended). oh yeah!!!! what happened to Osama bin Laden, oh yeah that's right I think bush said he was of no concern to him , yeah what happen to Afghanistan, oh that's right we dessert it and go after some black gold, the country that actually had Terrorists, the main guy , and a radicalist islamic government, but we just give it the back seat.
After that, I just felt really really passionate about getting this asshole out of office. And he did everything he could to make him disconnected to the American people except his core base. How can our president be this person, this person who purposely misrepresents the people, this person who lies, this person who is utterly corrupt, this person who is severely irresponsible and incompetent. Well his idea of unity is throwing his fucking radical Christian conservative right wing ideas down the throat of every person. News Flash- Bush not every person is like you and we dont like you pushing your religious ideal in our government actions , Jesus is not our president, and we aren't going to be converted. and most of all , the thing that makes me sick about Bush is his fucking smirk and goofy face. I mean the issue can be so serious yet bush still has a fucking smirk like nothings wrong and everything is laughable, a joke.
Nov,2nd ,2004 was on my mind since 2000. And a guy who could lead our country down the path of greatness, righteousness and hope and correct our mistakes comes along and makes every possible opportunity to give the American people his help , and we vote for the guy who has ravaged our country as well as a few others. Kerry wasn't a top pick of mine , I liked Dean and Clark, but Kerry was a guy who could do good and who was 50 times better than Bush, ANY ONE BUT BUSH, yeah he might have been liberal but so what, I Like a liberal leader, he wanted massive healthcare reform , stem cell research , job creation, restoring the environment that Bush destroyed, to get our country out of the massive deficits that Bush put us I, to fix the mistakes in Iraq. He represented so much Promise and Opportunity , in every way he was the best candidate, and so much better than the other guy , so what if you didnt like him , he is a person, and the other guy already proved himself to be unfit for command, so lets give this guy a chance to prove himself. But no lets vote for the asshole who has hurt our country, really Four More Years?, is it really worth it.
I put so much investment into this election, I donated money, I became very active and vocal on Temple university campus and in classes, I got people registered, and I converted people from the uninformed and naive to the socially aware and educated about the political process. There was so much excitement and just the feeling of victory in our grasp, to stick it to the man , to stand up and be heard. I mean from Fahrenheit 911, to the Vote for Change tour, to the Vote or Die campaign, to the Hollywood and Music elite using their celebrity to get the info out, to close to a half of million people protesting the bush administration in NYC ( which was an amazing site to see that many people assembling for one common cause),to Kerry stating his views and his plan for the future, there was so much and it was everywhere. I mean it wasn't like Bush had a lot to offer to the American public, he was basically on the defense the whole time with no valid justifications, his corruption and evilness was so apparent.
I put the last four years of my life into education and getting involved because I was soo angry and sure that the people would see the incompetence of Bush and fucking WAKE UP, and get him out of office. I probably would have wanted Kerry to be the extreme underdog and with no chance of winning and putting my full support behind him and losingTHAN him giving his all and winning and putting my full support behind him then losing. It was severely heart wrenching to see Kerry concede after that long hard battle , he put every effort out to make the American citizens for them see the right path, and then fucking Florida and Ohio had to mess up this vision of a great future. and Florida of all states, a state that is so diverse with so many minority and ethnic and cultural societies residing , and they vote majority republican? WHAT HAPPENED? What did the northeast , Midwest and the West coast see that the rest of the country didn't? Have we lost our Morals?? Has Jesus really taken hold of our country and government? Did the guy who was most qualified lose? There are so many questions to ask, but just one big important one ,WHY? The depression just gets worse every time I think about it. I really do not know if I can get over it , cause its so deep, the one time I think its finally our time, and BAM! we lose and lose hard , if Pennsylvania, My state, would have been Red i would have been extremely mad
But most of all the one thing that really made me upset, the one thing that really made the depression take over , a co-worker of mine, a friend, a person who I had many conversations with about the Bush atrocity , a person who I confided with about Kerry, a person who I was sure was voting for change. A person who I was sure hated Bush and was pretty vocal about it, a person who was an openly Gay man in a country where 11 states voted to take away your rights, and country who overwhelmingly discriminates against you , a person whose president thinks you are disgusting. and then you tell me you voted forBush without any explanation except you were sorry and that it didnt matter because he was going to win any way? That Hurt most of All, to realize that there are people like this out there, people who cant put the pieces together .! Like my Brother, so profoundly uneducated and naive, but so dedicated to his ignorant convictions, it sickening
Lets just hope that 2008 will bring us a better opportunity, one that can take back this country!
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Post subject: Re: Sorry i had to get this off my Chest, please dont lock!
Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2004 10:45 pm
Force of Nature
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:37 pm Posts: 387
pearljam_addiction wrote:
Pardon the Grammatical and other errors, it was rushed and in anger!
S.P.E.D- Severe Post-Election Depression
1. Wednesday November 3rd, 2004 - The Day my Heart Broke
I don't even know where to start , My whole world has been flipped upside down. How can this happen?, How can 59 million Americans be so oblivious. Sure I know a lot of people did not like Kerry, and that is fine, but at least give him a fucking chance, we already know what results came from the Bush administration, it was time for change , a change for the better, a change for the future, a FUCKING change. GWB did everything wrong during his First four years, everything! and worst of all most of it was not hidden, it was plain as day to see. Iraq, the Economy, Health care, Education , the Environment, fighting terrorism, all fucked in the ass by GWB. nothing of value has come out of this administration , NOTHING.
I feel so angry and depressed, and hopeless. I am dead serious when I say that I am fucking sad, I can feel it, my body is hurting, I have never felt like this in my life . Not even family deaths have put me in this state of despair. I invested so much of my life in to politics and this election, becuase I was sure that I was going to make a difference and get that mother fucker out of office. It started in 2000, I was a recent graduate of high school , and I didnt really have that much care for politics, I wasnt old enough to vote, but I didnt like either candidate, Gore or Bush, especially Bush, so if I was old enough- my vote would have went to Nader. But my political life started the day after the election. when I saw how it was handled in Florida. Gore was robbed and I felt really bad for him, because as much as I didnt like him , deep down inside I had the feeling that he was going to win anyway and I wanted him to win, he was a democrat who shared many of my beliefs. But to deny someone to recount votes just to make sure that everything was right and fair ,it was absurd. What was the big problem, they were just making sure, and then they brought it to the Supreme court , the first time in history when the Supreme court decided who won the election in a very partisan way. From there on, I focused so much on government and politics. It quickly became apparent that Bush had no idea what he was doing in office and it was really annoying.
But then came 911, the day when our country had its darkest hour, a day when America finally realized that we were vulnerable and that yes we are hated in the world. and I will admit that day and in the months afterwards I felt really sorry for Bush to be put into that situation, and I backed him because at that point I thought for once he really did have the best interests of the people. But then came the Patriot act which was overwhelmingly unnecessary.,yes many things contained in it were apt, but a large portion of it was in direct objection to privacy, and equal rights. but I still gave Bush the benefit of the doubt, I didnt like him , but he was in a tough situation . Afghanistan, in my opinion was the right thing to do because it was noted that Osama bin laden was there, as well as Al Qadea and the Taliban. I am not a big war person but when it is necessary then we must , and I thought it was after 911. everything was going well and I thought it would be in a matter of time until Osama was caught. But then, the one thing that threw me off the bridge, IRAQ. right when he and his administration started to bring it up I knew that he didnt have the people's interests in his mind but his own. IRAQ? WTF. I just kept thinking what the hell does Iraq have to do with anything. Then they say Saddam was connected to 911 and they have "WMD's:", and I said WHAT?. FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR FEAR , do you want some more FEAR, WATCH OUT BEHIND YOU A TERRORIST!!!!! Then their huge campaign to get this war, it was inevitable, they wanted it and they were going to get it . What for , WHY? Democracy? Saddam? 911? , or was it for OIL? to show off our military might? to please Haliburton? Lockheed-Martin? . Why is it ok to kill thousands of innocent lives , families , mothers, fathers, daughters, sons, brothers, sisters, Fucking Real People, we might not know them , but these were peaceful people of Iraq, and they were just being killed, Our own soldiers are forced to leave their own families to risk their own lives for a war that was unjust and completely personal for Bush. Now ,there is no clear plan of getting out of there , another fucking Vietnam, and our soldiers are dying by the hour for nothing . there were no wmd's no connection to 911. If it was a family member of mine sent over to Iraq I would be fucking pissed that they might be killed for no purpose. Well now Iraq has become a fucking wasteland of terror and death . There is mass chaos and people being slaughtered every day , car bombings and mortar attacks, things that weren't there before we invaded, this was not a terrorist state , but it sure the fuck is now , terrorists are coming in by the car load( no pun intended). oh yeah!!!! what happened to Osama bin Laden, oh yeah that's right I think bush said he was of no concern to him , yeah what happen to Afghanistan, oh that's right we dessert it and go after some black gold, the country that actually had Terrorists, the main guy , and a radicalist islamic government, but we just give it the back seat.
After that, I just felt really really passionate about getting this asshole out of office. And he did everything he could to make him disconnected to the American people except his core base. How can our president be this person, this person who purposely misrepresents the people, this person who lies, this person who is utterly corrupt, this person who is severely irresponsible and incompetent. Well his idea of unity is throwing his fucking radical Christian conservative right wing ideas down the throat of every person. News Flash- Bush not every person is like you and we dont like you pushing your religious ideal in our government actions , Jesus is not our president, and we aren't going to be converted. and most of all , the thing that makes me sick about Bush is his fucking smirk and goofy face. I mean the issue can be so serious yet bush still has a fucking smirk like nothings wrong and everything is laughable, a joke.
Nov,2nd ,2004 was on my mind since 2000. And a guy who could lead our country down the path of greatness, righteousness and hope and correct our mistakes comes along and makes every possible opportunity to give the American people his help , and we vote for the guy who has ravaged our country as well as a few others. Kerry wasn't a top pick of mine , I liked Dean and Clark, but Kerry was a guy who could do good and who was 50 times better than Bush, ANY ONE BUT BUSH, yeah he might have been liberal but so what, I Like a liberal leader, he wanted massive healthcare reform , stem cell research , job creation, restoring the environment that Bush destroyed, to get our country out of the massive deficits that Bush put us I, to fix the mistakes in Iraq. He represented so much Promise and Opportunity , in every way he was the best candidate, and so much better than the other guy , so what if you didnt like him , he is a person, and the other guy already proved himself to be unfit for command, so lets give this guy a chance to prove himself. But no lets vote for the asshole who has hurt our country, really Four More Years?, is it really worth it.
I put so much investment into this election, I donated money, I became very active and vocal on Temple university campus and in classes, I got people registered, and I converted people from the uninformed and naive to the socially aware and educated about the political process. There was so much excitement and just the feeling of victory in our grasp, to stick it to the man , to stand up and be heard. I mean from Fahrenheit 911, to the Vote for Change tour, to the Vote or Die campaign, to the Hollywood and Music elite using their celebrity to get the info out, to close to a half of million people protesting the bush administration in NYC ( which was an amazing site to see that many people assembling for one common cause),to Kerry stating his views and his plan for the future, there was so much and it was everywhere. I mean it wasn't like Bush had a lot to offer to the American public, he was basically on the defense the whole time with no valid justifications, his corruption and evilness was so apparent.
I put the last four years of my life into education and getting involved because I was soo angry and sure that the people would see the incompetence of Bush and fucking WAKE UP, and get him out of office. I probably would have wanted Kerry to be the extreme underdog and with no chance of winning and putting my full support behind him and losingTHAN him giving his all and winning and putting my full support behind him then losing. It was severely heart wrenching to see Kerry concede after that long hard battle , he put every effort out to make the American citizens for them see the right path, and then fucking Florida and Ohio had to mess up this vision of a great future. and Florida of all states, a state that is so diverse with so many minority and ethnic and cultural societies residing , and they vote majority republican? WHAT HAPPENED? What did the northeast , Midwest and the West coast see that the rest of the country didn't? Have we lost our Morals?? Has Jesus really taken hold of our country and government? Did the guy who was most qualified lose? There are so many questions to ask, but just one big important one ,WHY? The depression just gets worse every time I think about it. I really do not know if I can get over it , cause its so deep, the one time I think its finally our time, and BAM! we lose and lose hard , if Pennsylvania, My state, would have been Red i would have been extremely mad
But most of all the one thing that really made me upset, the one thing that really made the depression take over , a co-worker of mine, a friend, a person who I had many conversations with about the Bush atrocity , a person who I confided with about Kerry, a person who I was sure was voting for change. A person who I was sure hated Bush and was pretty vocal about it, a person who was an openly Gay man in a country where 11 states voted to take away your rights, and country who overwhelmingly discriminates against you , a person whose president thinks you are disgusting. and then you tell me you voted forBush without any explanation except you were sorry and that it didnt matter because he was going to win any way? That Hurt most of All, to realize that there are people like this out there, people who cant put the pieces together .! Like my Brother, so profoundly uneducated and naive, but so dedicated to his ignorant convictions, it sickening
Lets just hope that 2008 will bring us a better opportunity, one that can take back this country!
Why cause we have different opinoins, and what you think may be right for you, but its not for all of us.
Now I will go back and read the rest of your post
yeah maybe they will go to a 4th NFC championship and lose , cause that is what this election feels like
well we have some time before the playoffs, he'll just have to jump off a bridge when the Eagles after the Eagles lose the NFC championship.
You guys make Bush look worse then he is.
Things are going to get better. The problem is you dont really want them to get better. AND even if there was a democrat in office, if we were in the same situation, to you things wouldnt be bad.
Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:51 am Posts: 146 Location: on the slope
wow, that's quite a post! I understand what you're saying, and many others do too (which I hope will make you feel at least a little better). I've never seen people so involved in every way, I'm not that old, but still. I stayed up almost all night watching the results and remained as hopeful as I could be. It wasn't until I left my house and got on the subway that it hit me. I saw people reading the Post and the cover had such a terrible headline and picture, and that's when I lost it. I just cried on the fucking subway. Then when I saw online that Kerry was going to concede I cried some more. I tried calling some friends to tell them, and they had all found out, and were crying too- men and women were that upset over this election. We didn't understand. I did a lot of work for this election too, which hurts. I marched on different occasions with millions of people and, for what now? We didn't change anything. Or that's how it felt.
I'm so thankful I live in New York. I read a handful of articles the day after the election which made me feel a little bit better. One said that 3 out of 4 people in New York City voted for Kerry, and it discussed how upset everyone was over this. For fuck's sake, the city with the biggest attack on 9/11 overwhemingly voted for Kerry!
Even my very moderate brother and parents voted for Kerry, I just didn't get it. I guess a positive in this is that we're out here and we're upset. Maybe now we can mobilize even more and affect change. In order for that to happen though, we can't feel too disenchanted. We just need to work harder. I don't remember the final number, so around fifty million voted for Kerry. That's a lot of people. That's a lot of pissed off people. We need to work to get America back to the ideals from which she started.
There's no giving up allowed.
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Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 4:51 am Posts: 146 Location: on the slope
pearljam_addiction wrote:
yeah Philly was 89% kerry -11% bush
i think the overall numbers were 59.4 million for bush 55.9 millin for kerry
See, 59.4 million people can be wrong.
And that hurts like hell. But we've got a lot of support, try and keep your head up. I can't really say that it's not the end of the world- because you, uh, never know. But I can say that's a lot of people that will hopefully work for change. It fucking sucks to think that we need to work even harder for peace, it's just not right. But this is the way it is and we'll have to fix it.
By the next election hopefully there will be even more young people out there. We're getting a good start.
_________________ God knows why my country don't give a fuck ~e.s.
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 12:59 am Posts: 584 Location: upstate NY
Let it go. They want him, let them have him. The energy and enthusiasm that you put into getting people involved was awesome. You tried hard, I donated, but we're in the minority. (Albeit a BIG minority!) Its okay - now those that voted for Bush have Bush. Hope they like it in terms of the economy and the war..... Even they may tire of American troops dying at one point..... even they may tire of low wage jobs, poor health coverage, and when they do, there will be some other candidates available next time.....
Oh, I need to add something here - remember the saying 'be careful what you wish for, as you might get it' - I think that's an appropriate saying for a lot of people (about 59 million) to remember in the next couple of years....
Not all states Bush won were from the south.
Atleast give credit to the hillbillies too.
And dont forget the rest of the country hates NY.
Im from NJ.
You should wise up, theres more to the US then just you and the eastcoast.
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:54 pm Posts: 61 Location: in the desert
Its not the end of the world. Nor is it the end of things as you know it. You still have a voice. It doesn't have to be silent because the election is over.
Don't be like the guy who off himself over someone else's job. Yes job. Remember that. Bush is elected to do a job for the American people - YOU.
I honestly don't understand why people feel that they are not part of this country and do not have a right to continue to fight for what they believe in just because Bush got elected.
You only lose if you sit back and do nothing for the next four years. That's a heavy price to pay for just one day at a voting booth.
Politicians only noticeably kiss your ass during election year. That includes your Senators and Congressman and locals. Its up to you to keep them kissing it and not take YOU for granted.
Take a load off, your going to be ok.
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