any thoughts on the collapse of civilization as we know it?

this reminds me of Daniel Quinn's book 'Beyond Civilization' a little bit.

The Long Emergency is a great book. You should read it.

haven't read that quinn book yet.

I haven't read this, but people have been predicting this same thing for decades. Acid rain. Hole in the Ozone layer. Peak Oil. Humans are smart and will adjust. We may have to cut back to only one Laguna Beach episode per day.... but we will live on.

America will collapse because of the splintering effect of demographic changes, not because we run out oil.

NEVER!

You are all wrong. The downfall of America will be because of MTV. It is the anti-christ.

I'm gonna pick this up tomorrow. But if anyone would like another great piece of writing on the subject Crossing the Rubicon by Michael C. Ruppert and The Oil Factor. The second one has more to do with investing, but it gives you the basics when it comes to economic collapse on a wide scale when this finite resource goes away. While Crossing covers a birage of different topics from peak oil to 9/11. Both are very well sourced and I highly reccomend everyone take a look at the last chapter of Crossing the Rubicon where Ruppert uses everything in the book to come to a conclusion regarding the current state of this planet and where it's headed.

Key points to "Crossing the Rubicon" from teh Author:

1. I name Vice President Richard Cheney as the prime suspect in the mass murders of 9/11 and will establish that, not only was he a planner in the attacks, but also that on the day of the attacks he was running a completely separate Command, Control and Communications system which was superceding any orders being issued by the FAA, the Pentagon, or the White House Situation Room;

2. I establish conclusively that in May of 2001, by presidential order, Richard Cheney was put in direct command and control of all wargame and field exercise training and scheduling through several agencies, especially FEMA. This also extended to all of the conflicting and overlapping NORAD drills -- some involving hijack simulations -- taking place on that day.

3. I demonstrate that the TRIPOD II exercise being set up on Sept. 10th in Manhattan was directly connected to Cheney's role in the above.

4. I also prove conclusively that a number of public officials, at the national and New York City levels, including then-Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, were aware that flight 175 was en route to lower Manhattan for 20 minutes and did nothing to order the evacuation of, or warn the occupants of the South Tower. One military officer was forced to leave his post in the middle of the attacks and place a private call to his brother - who worked at the WTC - warning him to get out. That was because no other part of the system was taking action.

5. I also show that the Israeli and British governments acted as partners with the highest levels of the American government to help in the preparation and, very possibly, the actual execution of the attacks."



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Thank god he included Israel. I was starting to think his tin foil hat was folded wrong.

Back in April, I posted an excerpt from the book that was in Rolling Stone

http://www.theskyiscrape.com/phpBB2/viewt ... +emergency

I'm going to have to agree with b_i on this part right here.

I'm not with him on the splintering demographics part, though.