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They were talking about all-girl/all-boy schools on the news today. They had this
girl who "finally felt comfortable speaking up" and was performing better w/o boys
in the classroom.
But what happens to that girl when she gets to college or the workplace and suddenly
has to compete w/ men, but she can only perform when men aren't around.
Also, FYI, NOW is against doing this is public schools b/c their data shows that girls don't really do any better in an all-girl school and boys do WORSE in all-boy schools.
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I'm sure some kids perform better in single sex schools, and some kids perform better in co-ed schools. How about we let parents and teenagers decide what is best for them?
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LittleWing wrote:
I'm sure some kids perform better in single sex schools, and some kids perform better in co-ed schools. How about we let parents and teenagers decide what is best for them?
I completely agree
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jwfocker wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
I'm sure some kids perform better in single sex schools, and some kids perform better in co-ed schools. How about we let parents and teenagers decide what is best for them?
I completely agree
I agree with this as well, from a learning/concentration standpoint. Are they really prepared for the real world after schooling, though? Men and women are very different. Knowing how to interact with the opposite gender would put the kids who went to coed schools at a slight advantage, socially, imo.
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jwfocker wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
I'm sure some kids perform better in single sex schools, and some kids perform better in co-ed schools. How about we let parents and teenagers decide what is best for them?
I completely agree
How much money do we dump into public schools trying to address millions of different learning styles?
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Sandler wrote:
jwfocker wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
I'm sure some kids perform better in single sex schools, and some kids perform better in co-ed schools. How about we let parents and teenagers decide what is best for them?
I completely agree
I agree with this as well, from a learning/concentration standpoint. Are they really prepared for the real world after schooling, though? Men and women are very different. Knowing how to interact with the opposite gender would put the kids who went to coed schools at a slight advantage, socially, imo.
Completely up to the parents, though.
I thought there was more to schooling than just learning out of books. Isn't it also to learn to interact with other people, work together, etc. If the goal was to just learn out of books...shit, you can do that at home all by yourself.
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I would also make the argument that NO child is better off being shielded from real life problems.
(ie. I can't achieve my full potential with members of the opposite sex around)
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Here's the article for better debate:
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Posted on Tue, Nov. 08, 2005 Wisconsin bill would allow all-boy and all-girl public schools, classes
BY DINESH RAMDE ASSOCIATED PRESS
MILWAUKEE - Public schools in Wisconsin could choose to enroll all boys or all girls, and co-ed schools could offer same-gender classrooms, under a bill making its way through the Legislature.
State Rep. Scott Jensen, R-Waukesha, who introduced the bill, said he wants to make it easier for schools to create the most-effective learning environments possible.
"It's not a mandate, but if a school does research and believes it can benefit from same-sex classrooms, now it can do that without worry of lawsuits," Jensen said.
U.S. research on same-sex schooling is limited. Advocates say studies show that when students are separated by gender, they have improved student achievement, leadership and attendance, and create fewer discipline problems. Critics contendsingle-sex classes are separate-but-unequal experiments that don't prepare students for the integrated world.
Wisconsin schools would not be forced to make changes, but the bill would give them the choice of offering single-gender learning environments by softening restrictions against gender discrimination.
The bill, passed by the state Assembly Nov. 1, would require schools to continue to ensure equal access and opportunities for both genders.
No government agency tracks how many public schools separate students by gender. According to the National Association for Single-Sex Public Education, 42 same-gender public schools exist in 18 states. New York has the most with eight. Wisconsin's only single-gender school is Spectrum High School in Milwaukee.
About 150 co-ed public schools in 33 states offersingle-sex classrooms.
Jensen's bill mirrors federal legislation passed in March 2004 that permitted schools to establish separate classrooms for boys and girls. The impetus for that change came in 2001 when Congress called single-sex classes an innovative option and made them eligible for federal money.
Jensen said if wealthy families can send their kids to single-gender private schools, then all families should have the option of sending their kids to same-sex public schools.
The Assembly approved the bill 73-21. The measure needs the state Senate's approval and the governor's signature to become law.
Rep. John Lehman, D-Racine, voted against the bill, saying he thinks schools should focus on decreasing class sizes and improving teacher quality.
"I want to teach inclusiveness and respect, and the best place to do that is in the schools," said Lehman, formerly a teacher for more than 20 years. "Public education is best served by bringing boys and girls together, making sure they learn to respect one another."
Leonard Sax, executive director of the National Association for Single-Sex Public Education, said he opposes the separate-but-equal mantra that supporters of racial segregation used. The push to separate students by gender, he said, is a result of research that shows that boys and girls learn differently.
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LittleWing wrote:
I'm sure some kids perform better in single sex schools, and some kids perform better in co-ed schools. How about we let parents and teenagers decide what is best for them?
This would be fine if my parents actually let me have a say before they sent me to the boys high school.
This would be fine if my parents actually let me have a say before they sent me to the boys high school. - Hinny
I'd emphasize the parents before the child. Did mommy and daddy know best?
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Really, what's the difference between single-sex schools and single-race schools? They're both ridiculous ideas. - Bammer
Why? In fact, I see no problem with single race schools.
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The guys I knew who went to the all-boys Catholic HS in my town were totally socially retarded and had no idea how to behave around girls. - PD
And of course, that is what is most important in life. Social interaction can into play outside of school. Meh.
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I would also make the argument that NO child is better off being shielded from real life problems. - B
I wouldn't call it sheilding in most cases. Most of the arguments I hear, particularly from females, do not seem to sheilding issues at all.
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I thought there was more to schooling than just learning out of books. Isn't it also to learn to interact with other people, work together, etc. - energystar
You're absolutely right. You are supposed to learn how to interact with people and work together as well. However, learning math, reading, writing, and science comes first, and is most important in putting oneself into the pool of college applicants.
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How much money do we dump into public schools trying to address millions of different learning styles? - B
Not a dime. We let the private sector do it. The public sector can't teach kids as it is. Why would allow it to try and cater to different learning styles?
Again, I don't go either way. I went to a school with girls, and I don't think going to an all boys school would have made a lick of difference in my life. I went to school to learn. I chose the college I chose to learn, not to look at chicks. That's what school is primarily for. To learn. Not to gauk at chicks or learn how to flirt with them. Where are our priorities anyway? Learning to become a smooth talker with the ladies takes precidence over trigonometry? Since when? Maybe that is why America's students perform so poorly when compared to other nations. Since when did socializing trump education? I do think that there are benefits to having a co-ed classroom. They've all been mentioned here. However, there's no reason to force people into co-ed classrooms when a single sex environment is best for them.
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