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 Post subject: Dispatch from the War on Christmas
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just a joke folks...protest if you want, but this one is funny as hell.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/12/9/17144/7501

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Dispatch From the War on Christmas
by Hunter
Fri Dec 09, 2005 at 03:01:43 PM PDT

Dear Aunt Mabel,

I hope this letter finds you well. I am writing you from the Christmas frontlines, currently in front of Cinnabon at Twin Oaks Mall. May Jesus and Santa forgive me, but I have to say that this is the worst I've ever seen it.
What a horrible place, the mall. The architecture of these things is all the same. Malls are the architectural scat of the biggest American colossus, corporate capitalism -- a cogs-and-bricks-and-money giant that thunders, three miles high, across the landscape, stopping and squatting occasionally to crap out one of these rectangular jumbles of cement block. May Jesus forgive them for sucking so bad.

I have some sad news -- John has been in an accident. It was his first day here, and we were eating lunch in the food court, in front of the Peppy Peppy Pizza. Suddenly, out of the corner of my eye, I saw a lady carrying three bags stop in her tracks, like she saw someone she knew. She raised a hand, and shouted it, right there in the middle of the mall. "HAPPY HOLIDAYS!"

The carnage was bad. Real bad. I'm sorry to say John wasn't prepared to hear it, and he accidentally stabbed himself repeatedly in the eye with a plastic fork.

The doctors say he'll be fine, but he'll lose that eye. Even in his sleep he's mumbling Merry Christmas, over and over. He's a damn fighter, that one. He's one of the lucky ones, because I'm pretty sure some other people got trampled in the rush to get out.

This whole war has been a nightmare. I was at Circuit City yesterday, looking for a cheap DVD player. Out front they had a "Happy Holidays" banner that must have been in letters three feet high. I stepped under it, may Jesus forgive me, because I knew I had to get in there, but inside was no better. Some damn wreaths, here and there, and lots of lights, but no tree. I swear to God, no Christmas tree at all -- I looked everywhere. It was like being in Iraq or something.

I stumbled around with the rest of the shoppers. Everyone was in a daze, bumping into each other. I don't think any of us knew what to do, except just keep shopping, but I could tell everyone was thinking what I was. But I wasn't ready to see the DVD player prices, and I lost it.

"FIFTEEN FUCKING PERCENT OFF?", I shouted. (Sorry for the language. This war has screwed us all up) -- "FIFTEEN FUCKING PERCENT? WE'RE SUPPOSED TO BE CELEBRATING THE BIRTH OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR HERE, AND ALL YOU CAN DO IS A FUCKING FIFTEEN PERCENT OFF?"
I knew then that I was among heathens, and I dropped all the DVDs and batteries and stuff that I had scooped up, and just left. I swear, some days I don't understand what this war is even about.

Over and over it's the same. Every damn store. Some of them just say "Happy Holidays" out front, and I don't even go in. Most say Merry Christmas, but even then, it rings hollow. If they really were celebrating Jesus, they'd have more lights. The music would be louder. The giant inflatable snowmen would be bigger, and there'd be more of them. There was one place that had a little nativity scene, and that was cool, but the baby Jesus was laying in a manger and instead of straw, they had little optical fibers that glowed all sorts of different colors. But sometimes it glowed RED, because that was one of the colors in the cycle, and when that happened it looked like they were trying to barbecue the Baby Jesus and I had to leave.

I've seen a lot of pain, on a lot of faces. I know that "Holidays" and "HolyDays" are related, but it's not the same. One has an "I", and one has a "Y". One is about the self, and one is about the Holy Mystery.
Y. Y, indeed. These damn heathen bastards.

They're making us forget the Y.

I know a guy who ran right off the road, just last week. He was passing a Kentucky Fried Chicken (I know, they call themselves "KFC" now, but that's just so fucking stupid I can't even handle it) and they had on the sign out front, right under the price of a 12-piece family bucket:
"Seasons Greetings"

Dear sweet God. Of course, he ran right off the damn road. Even "Happy Holidays", you can sort of swallow hard and pretend you saw the Y and move on, but "Seasons Greetings?" It doesn't even sound human. It sounds like a brand of instant fucking stuffing.

In fact, that's exactly what it sounds like. A brand of goddamn Satanic turkey stuffing. That's how far we've sunk, as Americans.

Wal-Mart was the best and the worst. Oh sure, they said Merry Christmas. Or maybe it was the guy outside ringing the bell that said Merry Christmas, I'm not sure -- I'm pretty sure the greeter said it too. But they had the DVD player like I was looking for, and at twentyfive bucks each I got two of them so the kids don't have to share.

I had to wait in line about a half hour, but I passed the time by talking to the person behind me in line, who was buying a bunch of clothes and stuff. I let her know which things Jesus would and wouldn't approve of, because I'm pretty good at knowing stuff like that. I thought that the Christmas Tree sweater with the little lights that light up using a teeny battery was pretty damn cool and a pretty good celebration of the Birth of Our Lord, but that I thought the socks had too much blue in them and not enough green. I also told her to make sure to check that the little snowman figurine wasn't made in a communist country, but we couldn't remember if Taiwan counted or not, so I told her it was probably OK, especially at that price.

It was all going OK until i got to the checkout and put everything down. The guy who was checking me out looked funny -- he was polite and cheerful, sure, but something was off about him. As he turned to recheck the price on a twentyfour pack of Rudolph and Frosty paper towels, because I was pretty sure the price was supposed to be sixty cents cheaper than it said, I saw what it was -- he was wearing a yarmulke (Is that how you spell it? Wierd, but I looked it up). Seriously, I'm not kidding, right in the middle of the store. What kind of person just rubs his religion right in your face like that?

I was prepared. My mind is always ready for these challenges, and I knew what to do. I waited for him to ring me up, and paid my money, and got my receipt.

"Merry Christmas," I said, experimentally.

"Merry Christmas," he replied cheerfully.

I narrowed my eyes with a snarl, and with all my strength, I hit him as hard as I could with the twentyfour pack of Rudolph and Frosty paper towels.

"What are you doing!?" the person behind me shrieked, lunging over the counter in a really ripping move to prevent the guy from knocking over a bin of $2.99 plastic mini flashlights. "He said Merry Christmas! He said it!"
"But HE DIDN'T MEAN IT!", I shouted as loud as I could. "LOOK AT THE HAT! HE DIDN'T MEAN IT!"

I gathered my bags up, but I was just getting started, and I lit into everyone in the whole store. "CHRISTMAS IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT PEACE ON EARTH, ALL YOU GODDAMN COMMUNIST BASTARDS! WHEN WILL YOU GET THAT? PEACE ON EARTH! YOU HAVE TO MEAN IT!" I marched out of the store, head held high. Because all the Wal-Marts in the world, all the Targets, all the Circuit Cities -- they just don't get it. They don't understand.

How long must we be persecuted? Christmas is about Peace on Earth and Goodwill Towards All, and how dare the pagan alliance of liberals, non-Christians, hippies and multinational corporations turn this into a damn war zone, where I have to look at every damn sign, and second-guess every greeting, and measure every Christmas tree to make sure that everyone understands that like we do. This is OUR time of year, as Christians, to show the world what Christianity is, and that Peace on Earth and Goodwill Towards All isn't some hollow greeting card thing, but is the way we live our lives, and fuck them all if they can't see that. I, for one, will make sure that we understand about Peace On Earth if I have to hit every last damn greeter and fast food teenager and checkout person in America with a paper towel value pack. I'll boycott them all, until every last one of them understands that I am here in the name of Our Lord and Savior to bring PEACE ON EARTH if I have to shove it down every last throat. Especially the damn pagans.

Anyway, I'm so damn glad our church is closed this Sunday for Christmas, I need a break. Best thing they ever did, because you know come Monday, we are all going to need that strength to return oversized sweaters, and fucking ugly placemats, and all that made in China toy crap that breaks the first day. In Jesus' name we'll come back down on those malls and return stuff to celebrate Our Lord and Savior just like in the olden days, and besides it'll be good to have that Sunday to rest and just plug the new DVD players in and stuff.

Hope things are well there. I'll keep fighting, none of us want to leave before this job is done. Tell Uncle Bill I said hi and Merry Christmas and stuff, and that I'll be dead in the cold cold ground before I recognize the goddamn pagan "New Years".

Yours,
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How'd we miss Rabbi Bogomilsky??

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Sea-Tac flap over Christmas trees could have been avoided

What was needed was a thoughtful discussion on the matter, and a compromise could have been reached

By the Editorial Board of the Union-Bulletin

What were the folks at Sea-Tac Airport thinking when they decided to take down 14 Christmas trees after Seattle-area rabbi asked for a similar Jewish display?

Well, Port of Seattle officials probably wanted to avoid trouble and bad publicity. Unfortunately, Sea-Tac got hassles, trouble, bad publicity and a whole lot more. The national media was all over the story, proclaiming it as yet another battle in the ``war on Christmas.''

Tuesday, airport officials decided to put the Christmas trees back, and the rabbi expressed shock over the reaction - or maybe that's overreaction - to his request. He says all he wanted was a large menorah installed at the airport.

His original request was reasonable. However, threatening to file a federal lawsuit, as the rabbi did, is probably not the most diplomatic way to approach the situation. When airport officials heard lawsuit they probably figured that taking the trees down would avoid a brouhaha.

Clearly, that didn't happen.

While most people are sensitive to the need to not offend those who don't celebrate Christmas, they also bristle at efforts to throw cold water on any and all holiday celebrations.

A Christmas tree is not necessarily a religious symbol. It has come to be thought of as a secular holiday decoration.

In fact, the U.S. Supreme Court in 1989 ruled that Christmas trees - as well as menorahs - were sufficiently secular that they could be displayed in a government building without being considered an endorsement of one religion over another. Nativity scenes, however, were deemed to cross that invisible line that's supposed to separate church from state.

The Constitution does not ban religion or religious symbols from public places. What it does is mandate freedom of religion, which means the government can't embrace one religion. This means that when a public space is open to one religion, it should be open to all religions.

And that is done across the country - and right here in Walla Walla. For example, holiday programs at public schools are set up to not focus just on Christmas, but include other religious and secular holidays observed in this country. Hanukkah and Kwanzaa are often part of these programs. The goal is to be inclusive.

It's possible the Sea-Tac tree flap could have been avoided had only the rabbi and airport officials had a thoughtful discussion on the matter, and a compromise - constitutional, of course - could have been reached

But maybe that is too much to ask given our overreactive, lawsuit-happy society.

On second thought, it's not too much to ask. People of all religions should be respected, and they should respect others. That's where these discussion about Christmas trees and menorahs should begin.


http://www.union-bulletin.com/articles/ ... edit01.txt

I think the Rabbi's lawsuit threat was stupid, but SeaTac could have easily predicted it, avoided it, and prevented a lot of negative, national attention.

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How'd we miss Rabbi Bogomilsky??

Quote:
Sea-Tac flap over Christmas trees could have been avoided

What was needed was a thoughtful discussion on the matter, and a compromise could have been reached

By the Editorial Board of the Union-Bulletin

What were the folks at Sea-Tac Airport thinking when they decided to take down 14 Christmas trees after Seattle-area rabbi asked for a similar Jewish display?

Well, Port of Seattle officials probably wanted to avoid trouble and bad publicity. Unfortunately, Sea-Tac got hassles, trouble, bad publicity and a whole lot more. The national media was all over the story, proclaiming it as yet another battle in the ``war on Christmas.''

Tuesday, airport officials decided to put the Christmas trees back, and the rabbi expressed shock over the reaction - or maybe that's overreaction - to his request. He says all he wanted was a large menorah installed at the airport.

His original request was reasonable. However, threatening to file a federal lawsuit, as the rabbi did, is probably not the most diplomatic way to approach the situation. When airport officials heard lawsuit they probably figured that taking the trees down would avoid a brouhaha.

Clearly, that didn't happen.

While most people are sensitive to the need to not offend those who don't celebrate Christmas, they also bristle at efforts to throw cold water on any and all holiday celebrations.

A Christmas tree is not necessarily a religious symbol. It has come to be thought of as a secular holiday decoration.

In fact, the U.S. Supreme Court in 1989 ruled that Christmas trees - as well as menorahs - were sufficiently secular that they could be displayed in a government building without being considered an endorsement of one religion over another. Nativity scenes, however, were deemed to cross that invisible line that's supposed to separate church from state.

The Constitution does not ban religion or religious symbols from public places. What it does is mandate freedom of religion, which means the government can't embrace one religion. This means that when a public space is open to one religion, it should be open to all religions.

And that is done across the country - and right here in Walla Walla. For example, holiday programs at public schools are set up to not focus just on Christmas, but include other religious and secular holidays observed in this country. Hanukkah and Kwanzaa are often part of these programs. The goal is to be inclusive.

It's possible the Sea-Tac tree flap could have been avoided had only the rabbi and airport officials had a thoughtful discussion on the matter, and a compromise - constitutional, of course - could have been reached

But maybe that is too much to ask given our overreactive, lawsuit-happy society.

On second thought, it's not too much to ask. People of all religions should be respected, and they should respect others. That's where these discussion about Christmas trees and menorahs should begin.


http://www.union-bulletin.com/articles/ ... edit01.txt

I think the Rabbi's lawsuit threat was stupid, but SeaTac could have easily predicted it, avoided it, and prevented a lot of negative, national attention.


Yes. They really should have seen that coming. Putting up Christmas Trees at Christmas??!! What the hell were they thinking!!??

Give me a fucking break!

I think it's sad that a Rabbi, of all people, would have started this unecessary drama. I wouldn't care if the airport put up a big-ass menorah. But correct me if i'm wrong, I very well could be, but isn't a menorah a religious symbol? Last I checked a Christmas tree isn't. It has nothing to do with religion. I could understand people getting upset (although I would still think it was stupid) if it was a huge cross. But a Christmas tree?

It makes me wonder how we still get away with this in OKC every year:

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Yes. They really should have seen that coming. Putting up Christmas Trees at Christmas??!! What the hell were they thinking!!??

Give me a fucking break!


You misunderstand me. I think SeaTac should have put up the mennorah when the Rabbi asked. Some reactionary bureaucrat at the airport saw the request and said, "What?? A Mennorah? Next they'll want Kwaanza colors, then the Satanists will want mannequins of little baby girls sucking Satan's dick, then we'll be forced to make all of our passengers fuck dogs while they fly!!!! Fuck him, we're not crossing that line."

When a representative of a major religion politely asks you to put up a mennorah, you say "of course, sorry we forgot." then you drop 50 bucks on a nice mennorah.

Not to defend a litigation-happy activist, but what did SeaTac expect when they sent back his request with a big "fuck you!"??

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It makes me wonder how we still get away with this in OKC every year:

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It blows my mind that private property owners are allowed to use that property in whatever manner they choose. Why aren't the Democracts putting a stop to this? How dare someone with money, who is not an actor, express their viewpoint! WTF!

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Gimme Some Skin wrote:

It makes me wonder how we still get away with this in OKC every year:

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It blows my mind that private property owners are allowed to use that property in whatever manner they choose. Why aren't the Democracts putting a stop to this? How dare someone with money, who is not an actor, express their viewpoint! WTF!


:lol:

I know!! But i have to believe that it's just a matter of time.

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Gimme Some Skin wrote:

It makes me wonder how we still get away with this in OKC every year:

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It blows my mind that private property owners are allowed to use that property in whatever manner they choose. Why aren't the Democracts putting a stop to this? How dare someone with money, who is not an actor, express their viewpoint! WTF!


If I worked in that building, I'd have my bare ass plastered to one of those windows every night.

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broken iris wrote:
Gimme Some Skin wrote:

It makes me wonder how we still get away with this in OKC every year:

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It blows my mind that private property owners are allowed to use that property in whatever manner they choose. Why aren't the Democracts putting a stop to this? How dare someone with money, who is not an actor, express their viewpoint! WTF!


If I worked in that building, I'd have my bare ass plastered to one of those windows every night.


That would be hot.

The building with the little cross or the big one?

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It makes me wonder how we still get away with this in OKC every year:

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Talk about taking the situation a bit too far...


California Man Sets Himself, American Flag, Christmas Tree on Fire to Protest Religious Names
Saturday , December 23, 2006
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BAKERSFIELD, Calif. — A man used flammable liquid to light himself on fire, apparently to protest a San Joaquin Valley school district's decision to change the names of winter and spring breaks to Christmas and Easter vacation.

The man, who was not immediately identified, on Friday also set fire to a Christmas tree, an American flag and a revolutionary flag replica, said Fire Captain Garth Milam.

Seeing the flames, Sheriff's Deputy Lance Ferguson grabbed a fire extinguisher and ran to the man.

Flames were devouring a Christmas tree next to the Liberty Bell, where public events and demonstrations are common.

Beside the tree the man stood with an American flag draped around his shoulders and a red gas can over his head.

Seeing the deputy, the man poured the liquid over his head. He quickly burst into flames when the fumes from the gas met the flames from the tree.

The deputy ordered the man to drop to the ground as he and a parole agent sprayed him with fire extinguishers.

"The man stood there like this," the deputy said with his arms across his chest and his head bent down, "Saying no, no, no."

The man suffered first degree burns on his shoulders and arms, Milam said.

Kern County Sheriff's Deputy John Leyendecker said the man had a sign that read: "(expletive) the religious establishment and KHSD."

On Thursday, the Kern High School Board of Trustees voted to use the names Christmas and Easter instead of winter and spring breaks.


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broken iris wrote:
Gimme Some Skin wrote:

It makes me wonder how we still get away with this in OKC every year:

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It blows my mind that private property owners are allowed to use that property in whatever manner they choose. Why aren't the Democracts putting a stop to this? How dare someone with money, who is not an actor, express their viewpoint! WTF!


:lol:

I know!! But i have to believe that it's just a matter of time.


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I'm an atheist but I'm not offended if someone tells me "Merry Christmas". I don't get the extremeists on either side like some of those people like the Rabbi or self-immolation man up there, or that lady who went nuts because everything said "Holidays". What the fuck does it matter, seriously?! Be happy someone complimented you with Happy Holiday you stupid haggard fuck. Don't take it offensive because it doesn't conform to your religion.

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I'm an atheist but I'm not offended if someone tells me "Merry Christmas". I don't get the extremeists on either side like some of those people like the Rabbi or self-immolation man up there, or that lady who went nuts because everything said "Holidays". What the fuck does it matter, seriously?! Be happy someone complimented you with Happy Holiday you stupid haggard fuck. Don't take it offensive because it doesn't conform to your religion.

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Jammer91 wrote:
I'm an atheist but I'm not offended if someone tells me "Merry Christmas". I don't get the extremeists on either side like some of those people like the Rabbi or self-immolation man up there, or that lady who went nuts because everything said "Holidays". What the fuck does it matter, seriously?! Be happy someone complimented you with Happy Holiday you stupid haggard fuck. Don't take it offensive because it doesn't conform to your religion.

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EllisEamos wrote:
Jammer91 wrote:
I'm an atheist but I'm not offended if someone tells me "Merry Christmas". I don't get the extremeists on either side like some of those people like the Rabbi or self-immolation man up there, or that lady who went nuts because everything said "Holidays". What the fuck does it matter, seriously?! Be happy someone complimented you with Happy Holiday you stupid haggard fuck. Don't take it offensive because it doesn't conform to your religion.

well said.
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Holy shit Jammer made that post?

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cutuphalfdead wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
EllisEamos wrote:
Jammer91 wrote:
I'm an atheist but I'm not offended if someone tells me "Merry Christmas". I don't get the extremeists on either side like some of those people like the Rabbi or self-immolation man up there, or that lady who went nuts because everything said "Holidays". What the fuck does it matter, seriously?! Be happy someone complimented you with Happy Holiday you stupid haggard fuck. Don't take it offensive because it doesn't conform to your religion.

well said.
Five years later, still well said,

Holy shit Jammer made that post?

hence why i bumped this thread.

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I don't get either side. I had a coworker tell me Merry Christmas last year. Good for her, and all. So I smiled, tilted my head, and said, "Have a great holiday break." I make a point of being as earnest and appreciative as possible, as always.

She hasn't talked to me since, because I didn't use the word Christmas. I only know what the issue is because she badmouthed me to everyone around her for like two weeks. When I directly asked her if I had done something wrong and what I could do about it, she just walked away from me. To this day, I am the guy around the building who hates Christmas. There are at least two people who will not work with me on anything because of it (there were three...one died of cancer....). I have never shared or messaged my feelings on ANY matter related to ANYthing with these people, because I am too busy trying to do my fucking job. I teach a "Christmas Carol" unit every year for fucks sake.


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McParadigm wrote:
I don't get either side. I had a coworker tell me Merry Christmas last year. Good for her, and all. So I smiled, tilted my head, and said, "Have a great holiday break." I make a point of being as earnest and appreciative as possible, as always.

She hasn't talked to me since, because I didn't use the word Christmas. I only know what the issue is because she badmouthed me to everyone around her for like two weeks. When I directly asked her if I had done something wrong and what I could do about it, she just walked away from me. To this day, I am the guy around the building who hates Christmas. There are at least two people who will not work with me on anything because of it (there were three...one died of cancer....). I have never shared or messaged my feelings on ANY matter related to ANYthing with these people, because I am too busy trying to do my fucking job. I teach a "Christmas Carol" unit every year for fucks sake.

use that pic of you w/ the hammer as a "winter well wishes" card and deliver it to every teachers' box in the mailroom.

win them over w/ kindness, McP.

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