Not sure which cheeks you're referring to, but my butt before my hemorrhoid problems was pretty adorable. Yah, like 9 year old boy with hair adorable, but adorable nonetheless.
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Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 1:17 pm
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given2trade wrote:
Not sure which cheeks you're referring to, but my butt before my hemorrhoid problems was pretty adorable. Yah, like 9 year old boy with hair adorable, but adorable nonetheless.
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 4:28 pm
Unthought Known
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given2trade wrote:
You want to know the problem with healthcare?
I went to UCSD to see a doctor about my ass problems. While I was there a medical resident witnessed the consultation (it's a teaching facility) so you'd think the service is discounted as a result. The entire thing lasted 20 minutes (after waiting for 1 hour 30 minutes to be seen). Absolutely nothing was performed on me except an examination of my asshole.
I got the bill today. I have catastrophic health insurance so for the most part, it covers little. I pay $110 a month in premiums and am self employed.
$910. $300 got removed due to health insurance. I owe $610. For 20 minutes and a 5 minute examination. That a RESIDENT WAS WITNESSING.
Absurd. No way that's a real price. They expect most people to have medicare or full health insurance and they bill to the payer and through negotiations it ends up being much, much, less. But because I'm a cash payer I don't get the benefit.
This is the crux of my issue with health care. We're essentially paying an intermediary to bargain health care costs for us and they have created a market by completely covering and hiding the costs of everything regarding any aspect of care.
Why pay for health insurance at all? Why is it necessary in anything other than catestrophic care? Currently because the way the system is built, if you don't buy insurance, you don't get into the group that gets the best "rates" It's an absolute scam, but a lot of people are wealthy because of it.
If they published prices ahead of time, like everyone else in the free world has to do, you could actually shop around for the best price. You could use the market. Doesn't work that way in healthcare.
None of the obscene cost goes away with single payer, it just gets added to the mess that's going on right now about paying for servicing our debts. We just become more like Greece on one hand, or the quality of our care goes to absolute shit on the other.
What if you could go to Bing and search rates for Proctologists and find official costs? Hell there could be an app for that.
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:40 am
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If, by action of politicians or the market, the health care spending curve is not bent, one might argue that this reflects our collective desire, our revealed preference. The history of health care spending in the US is consistent with the hypothesis that we view health care as a luxury good, one on which we spend more of our wealth as that wealth grows....The great question [this chart] suggests to me is that if health is a luxury good, why should we expect the health spending trajectory to change?
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 3:13 pm
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What if we passed a national law that stated if a patient is consious they should be informed what their cost responsibilty would be for each and every evaluation, test or procedure prior to it being performed allowing the patient to deny that procedure if they so chose? This would include drugs administered in hospitals and doctors who happen to show up in say the emergency room who wish to charge a patient as a seperate contractor.
Do you think this would encourage competitive pricing?
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 4:55 pm
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Electromatic wrote:
What if we passed a national law that stated if a patient is consious they should be informed what their cost responsibilty would be for each and every evaluation, test or procedure prior to it being performed allowing the patient to deny that procedure if they so chose? This would include drugs administered in hospitals and doctors who happen to show up in say the emergency room who wish to charge a patient as a seperate contractor.
Do you think this would encourage competitive pricing?
my initial thought is that it would cause people to put off preventive procedures/ meds and then ultimately cost everyone around them more money by getting treated in the emergency room, whilst unconscious, and then not being able to pay their bill.
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Fri Aug 05, 2011 6:54 pm
Stone's Bitch
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Skitch Patterson wrote:
NaiveAndTrue wrote:
I know way too much about your butt now.
Coming from the girl whose every facebook post is the internet equivalent to watching your wife poop..
Really? My facebook posts are pretty mundane. I think a good 80% is about what I'm eating. Then there's craft projects, pictures of my cats. . . not so much serious or personal info. Hmm.
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2011 1:24 pm
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I wonder if we had no employer sponsored health insurance and limited (ex: actual safety net below the poverty line) government assisted health care whether the costs of health care could be what they are currently in the US. The basic doctor visits where they perform minimal or no work are insane not to mention the costs of most surgeries or oncology treatments. I wonder what the tipping point on prices would be without the markup and write offs.
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Fri May 18, 2012 11:25 pm
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Ryan Kennedy was diagnosed with ependymoma, a rare form of brain cancer, in 2007, when he was 4. Now Ryan, at 9, is living out the most adult decision a person can make — he quit all his cancer treatments and chose to die at home.
Ryan’s disease attacks the central nervous system, and caused him to walk into walls and vomit frequently. Since his diagnosis, his treatments have included four rounds of chemotherapy, two bouts of radiation, and seven surgeries. Ryan’s most recent operation, last August, left the right side of Ryan’s face paralyzed, and that’s when he decided to wave the white flag.
When doctors proposed another surgery in February, Ryan refused, telling his parents with certainty, “I’m done with this.” He just wanted to “live the rest of his life.”
Ryan’s final wish was to go swimming, so the whole family took a vacation. Now Ryan is spending his last days at home in hospice care. He has almost died — twice — and he’s shared tearful goodbyes with his brother and sister.
Ryan’s 10th birthday is May 24, but doctors don’t expect him to live that long.
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:39 pm
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EllisEamos wrote:
Quote:
Ryan Kennedy was diagnosed with ependymoma, a rare form of brain cancer, in 2007, when he was 4. Now Ryan, at 9, is living out the most adult decision a person can make — he quit all his cancer treatments and chose to die at home.
Ryan’s disease attacks the central nervous system, and caused him to walk into walls and vomit frequently. Since his diagnosis, his treatments have included four rounds of chemotherapy, two bouts of radiation, and seven surgeries. Ryan’s most recent operation, last August, left the right side of Ryan’s face paralyzed, and that’s when he decided to wave the white flag.
When doctors proposed another surgery in February, Ryan refused, telling his parents with certainty, “I’m done with this.” He just wanted to “live the rest of his life.”
Ryan’s final wish was to go swimming, so the whole family took a vacation. Now Ryan is spending his last days at home in hospice care. He has almost died — twice — and he’s shared tearful goodbyes with his brother and sister.
Ryan’s 10th birthday is May 24, but doctors don’t expect him to live that long.
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 8:52 pm
AnalLog
Joined: Sun Feb 26, 2006 3:28 am Posts: 28541 Location: PORTLAND, ME
NaiveAndTrue wrote:
EllisEamos wrote:
Quote:
Ryan Kennedy was diagnosed with ependymoma, a rare form of brain cancer, in 2007, when he was 4. Now Ryan, at 9, is living out the most adult decision a person can make — he quit all his cancer treatments and chose to die at home.
Ryan’s disease attacks the central nervous system, and caused him to walk into walls and vomit frequently. Since his diagnosis, his treatments have included four rounds of chemotherapy, two bouts of radiation, and seven surgeries. Ryan’s most recent operation, last August, left the right side of Ryan’s face paralyzed, and that’s when he decided to wave the white flag.
When doctors proposed another surgery in February, Ryan refused, telling his parents with certainty, “I’m done with this.” He just wanted to “live the rest of his life.”
Ryan’s final wish was to go swimming, so the whole family took a vacation. Now Ryan is spending his last days at home in hospice care. He has almost died — twice — and he’s shared tearful goodbyes with his brother and sister.
Ryan’s 10th birthday is May 24, but doctors don’t expect him to live that long.
the death panels have started their reign...
Um. . . what?
didn't you know that offering someone end-of-life care options is the same as bureaucrats deciding who can and can't live?!!
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Thu May 24, 2012 7:14 pm
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EllisEamos wrote:
NaiveAndTrue wrote:
EllisEamos wrote:
Quote:
Ryan Kennedy was diagnosed with ependymoma, a rare form of brain cancer, in 2007, when he was 4. Now Ryan, at 9, is living out the most adult decision a person can make — he quit all his cancer treatments and chose to die at home.
Ryan’s disease attacks the central nervous system, and caused him to walk into walls and vomit frequently. Since his diagnosis, his treatments have included four rounds of chemotherapy, two bouts of radiation, and seven surgeries. Ryan’s most recent operation, last August, left the right side of Ryan’s face paralyzed, and that’s when he decided to wave the white flag.
When doctors proposed another surgery in February, Ryan refused, telling his parents with certainty, “I’m done with this.” He just wanted to “live the rest of his life.”
Ryan’s final wish was to go swimming, so the whole family took a vacation. Now Ryan is spending his last days at home in hospice care. He has almost died — twice — and he’s shared tearful goodbyes with his brother and sister.
Ryan’s 10th birthday is May 24, but doctors don’t expect him to live that long.
the death panels have started their reign...
Um. . . what?
didn't you know that offering someone end-of-life care options is the same as bureaucrats deciding who can and can't live?!!
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:04 pm
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So what is the level of health care that is going to be required with this thing? I have government covered health care (VA). Will I be required to "buy" more insurance? Or, if someone just has basic coverage with high co-pays and deductibles, will they be required to purchase more?
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Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:25 pm
AnalLog
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Rebar wrote:
So what is the level of health care that is going to be required with this thing? I have government covered health care (VA). Will I be required to "buy" more insurance? Or, if someone just has basic coverage with high co-pays and deductibles, will they be required to purchase more?
you're dead.
Seriously though, i think you're covered. Although your plan itself might change some.
So what is the level of health care that is going to be required with this thing? I have government covered health care (VA). Will I be required to "buy" more insurance? Or, if someone just has basic coverage with high co-pays and deductibles, will they be required to purchase more?
You are probably OK. In my case, my employer subsidizes most of our plan for tax benefit. I pay $20/week, so my plan could easily exceed the magic bullshit number in the ACA and my employer may be fined for such an expensive plan. In which case the quality of my healthcare plan will probably decrease in order to make it cost less so they don't get fined.
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