Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:11 pm
Unthought Known
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Rebar wrote:
So what is the level of health care that is going to be required with this thing? I have government covered health care (VA). Will I be required to "buy" more insurance? Or, if someone just has basic coverage with high co-pays and deductibles, will they be required to purchase more?
you are legal under the law. I think unless something changes with VA. I don't think you'll have to buy in to the exchange because you are covered. Probably handled similarly to medicare and medicaid.
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:21 pm
Supersonic
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Just remember, you have to prove you have healthcare to the government. But you don't have to prove ID to show you're a citizen. Or prove that you're a citizen to vote.
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:27 pm
Unthought Known
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LittleWing wrote:
Just remember, you have to prove you have healthcare to the government. But you don't have to prove ID to show you're a citizen. Or prove that you're a citizen to vote.
yeah that's hilarious, but it's mostly a gentlemans agreement anyway, they can't punish you unless you inform them to punish you on your tax return. There's nothing in the law that allows enforcement I believe.
I also find it humorous people object to showing ID to vote. Shouldn't you have to prove who you are in some rudimentary way in order to effect the government in that area?
Then, In Georgia anyway you are required to bring at least 3 forms of government ID to renew a drivers license. So you have to prove to the state with 3 documents they should be able to find in thier own files, that they didn't screw up royally the first time they issued you a legal government ID. Facepalm. The DMV is a wonderful organization.
Then, In Georgia anyway you are required to bring at least 3 forms of government ID to renew a drivers license. So you have to prove to the state with 3 documents they should be able to find in thier own files, that they didn't screw up royally the first time they issued you a legal government ID. Facepalm. The DMV is a wonderful organization.
Yeah, same in Florida. One of the docs has to be your original, raised seal birth certificate.
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Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:34 pm
AnalLog
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4/5 wrote:
Electromatic wrote:
Then, In Georgia anyway you are required to bring at least 3 forms of government ID to renew a drivers license. So you have to prove to the state with 3 documents they should be able to find in thier own files, that they didn't screw up royally the first time they issued you a legal government ID. Facepalm. The DMV is a wonderful organization.
Yeah, same in Florida. One of the docs has to be your original, raised seal birth certificate.
yeah that's hilarious, but it's mostly a gentlemans agreement anyway, they can't punish you unless you inform them to punish you on your tax return. There's nothing in the law that allows enforcement I believe.
Industry is working on this for the IRS. You would be amazed what big data can do.
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 1:40 pm
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broken iris wrote:
Electromatic wrote:
yeah that's hilarious, but it's mostly a gentlemans agreement anyway, they can't punish you unless you inform them to punish you on your tax return. There's nothing in the law that allows enforcement I believe.
Industry is working on this for the IRS. You would be amazed what big data can do.
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 4:16 pm
Supersonic
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Electromatic wrote:
broken iris wrote:
Electromatic wrote:
yeah that's hilarious, but it's mostly a gentlemans agreement anyway, they can't punish you unless you inform them to punish you on your tax return. There's nothing in the law that allows enforcement I believe.
Industry is working on this for the IRS. You would be amazed what big data can do.
LOL, Big Data
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Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 6:19 pm
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Alex wrote:
Electromatic wrote:
broken iris wrote:
Electromatic wrote:
yeah that's hilarious, but it's mostly a gentlemans agreement anyway, they can't punish you unless you inform them to punish you on your tax return. There's nothing in the law that allows enforcement I believe.
Industry is working on this for the IRS. You would be amazed what big data can do.
LOL, Big Data
do you think that's what thodoks makes his wife call him during intimacy events?
Throw your hands in the air if youse a true playa.
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 1:49 pm
The Maleficent
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:17 pm Posts: 13551 Location: is a jerk in wyoming Gender: Female
LittleWing wrote:
Just remember, you have to prove you have healthcare to the government. But you don't have to prove ID to show you're a citizen. Or prove that you're a citizen to vote.
not to argue but, I just wanted to note that in Massachusetts- where health insurance has been mandatory for a few years now (and as a result of Mitt Romney's policies I might add)- I've held private health insurance - not through my employer, as well as the insurance provided by my employer- in both cases the 'proof of insurance' was nothing more than a form I attached to my tax return from the insurance company in the case of the private insurance and was reported by my employer to the IRS in the case of the insurance through the company - this wasn't much burden to me and certainly nothing I was worried over- it's paperwork. that's all - and both the insurance industry AND the government are true experts in the circulation and usage of paperwork.
also - having mandatory health insurance isn't my favorite thing in the world so please don't assume I'm all for the idea - just want to add some clarity to this idea of 'must provide proof'
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:00 pm
AnalLog
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malice wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
Just remember, you have to prove you have healthcare to the government. But you don't have to prove ID to show you're a citizen. Or prove that you're a citizen to vote.
not to argue but, I just wanted to note that in Massachusetts- where health insurance has been mandatory for a few years now (and as a result of Mitt Romney's policies I might add)- I've held private health insurance - not through my employer, as well as the insurance provided by my employer- in both cases the 'proof of insurance' was nothing more than a form I attached to my tax return from the insurance company in the case of the private insurance and was reported by my employer to the IRS in the case of the insurance through the company - this wasn't much burden to me and certainly nothing I was worried over- it's paperwork. that's all - and both the insurance industry AND the government are true experts in the circulation and usage of paperwork.
also - having mandatory health insurance isn't my favorite thing in the world so please don't assume I'm all for the idea - just want to add some clarity to this idea of 'must provide proof'
conversely, i worked in MA two years ago, took the chance of going w/o insurance for the year b/c i didn't have steady work and didn't look into what i could afford. year over, send in my tax return and paid my fine on my state tax return by getting a smaller refund.
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:06 pm
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malice wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
Just remember, you have to prove you have healthcare to the government. But you don't have to prove ID to show you're a citizen. Or prove that you're a citizen to vote.
not to argue but, I just wanted to note that in Massachusetts- where health insurance has been mandatory for a few years now (and as a result of Mitt Romney's policies I might add)- I've held private health insurance - not through my employer, as well as the insurance provided by my employer- in both cases the 'proof of insurance' was nothing more than a form I attached to my tax return from the insurance company in the case of the private insurance and was reported by my employer to the IRS in the case of the insurance through the company - this wasn't much burden to me and certainly nothing I was worried over- it's paperwork. that's all - and both the insurance industry AND the government are true experts in the circulation and usage of paperwork.
also - having mandatory health insurance isn't my favorite thing in the world so please don't assume I'm all for the idea - just want to add some clarity to this idea of 'must provide proof'
Yup. I have insurance through the Commonwealth Connector and they send me a proof of insurance form every year that I attach to my tax return, or if I do it online, just copy a line onto the online form I fill out. It really doesn't change how hard/easy it is to do my taxes.
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Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:34 pm
The Maleficent
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 11:17 pm Posts: 13551 Location: is a jerk in wyoming Gender: Female
EllisEamos wrote:
malice wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
Just remember, you have to prove you have healthcare to the government. But you don't have to prove ID to show you're a citizen. Or prove that you're a citizen to vote.
not to argue but, I just wanted to note that in Massachusetts- where health insurance has been mandatory for a few years now (and as a result of Mitt Romney's policies I might add)- I've held private health insurance - not through my employer, as well as the insurance provided by my employer- in both cases the 'proof of insurance' was nothing more than a form I attached to my tax return from the insurance company in the case of the private insurance and was reported by my employer to the IRS in the case of the insurance through the company - this wasn't much burden to me and certainly nothing I was worried over- it's paperwork. that's all - and both the insurance industry AND the government are true experts in the circulation and usage of paperwork.
also - having mandatory health insurance isn't my favorite thing in the world so please don't assume I'm all for the idea - just want to add some clarity to this idea of 'must provide proof'
conversely, i worked in MA two years ago, took the chance of going w/o insurance for the year b/c i didn't have steady work and didn't look into what i could afford. year over, send in my tax return and paid my fine on my state tax return by getting a smaller refund.
well. I don't think even the penalty for not carrying insurance is all that expensive compared to what I pay out of my paycheck every month- when I was covering my 'significant other' my insurance costs were almost $700 a month (through my employer) - which was a result of the crappy insurance that my company offers employees (although I know other people who pay as much for covering more than themselves in MA) - this came out to almost $8500/year - the penalty for not carrying insurance was $1500 for going the entire year without it - and that fee went down depending on how many months you went without insurance- in MA if you have insurance for 10 months out of the year, you pay no penalty - ultimately it would have been cheaper to not carry insurance at all for me but being older than most people here, I'm at a point in my life where not carrying insurance is tempting fate a little bit too much for my comfort.
And again- I 'm not thrilled with being forced to carry the insurance that my employer offers- its lousy and too expensive even now- and my boyfriend has his own insurance now so the cost is much less for me. The problem is that even with lower costs, if you get injured or have to go to the hospital- you go broke. My deductible is very high ($3000) and the medical costs are nuts. I injured my thumb a couple years ago and had to go to the emergency room for stitches- that visit cost me around $2500 even WITH the supposed 'lower costs' charged for carrying insurance- it's basically a very bad situation no matter how you slice it, in my opinion- the true issue here (at least for me) is that the cost of healthcare is out of control and the insurance industry is cleaning up and laughing at us all the way to the bank these days. When I started working in MA (given it was 1987) I was paying something like $15 per check, and my coverage was excellent- no deductible, HMO walk-in center, $5 co-pay for a doctor's visit...
Today that kind of healthcare is unheard of- and all the money is going to insurance carriers...
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 4:50 pm
AnalLog
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yeah, don't get me wrong, i took a huge gamble that i'd be safe/healthy for the year until we (my wife & i) knew where we'd be living and i could get a full-time job.
Post subject: Re: On the issue of universal health care
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 8:38 pm
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