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Halliburton Cited in Iraq Contamination
By LARRY MARGASAK, Associated Press Writer
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WASHINGTON - Troops and civilians at a U.S. military base in Iraq were exposed to contaminated water last year and employees for the responsible contractor, Halliburton, couldn't get their company to inform camp residents, according to interviews and internal company documents.

Halliburton, the company formerly headed by Vice President Dick Cheney, disputes the allegations about water problems at Camp Junction City, in Ramadi, even though they were made by its own employees and documented in company e-mails.

"We exposed a base camp population (military and civilian) to a water source that was not treated," said a July 15, 2005, memo written by William Granger, the official for Halliburton's KBR subsidiary who was in charge of water quality in Iraq and Kuwait.

"The level of contamination was roughly 2x the normal contamination of untreated water from the Euphrates River," Granger wrote in one of several documents. The Associated Press obtained the documents from Senate Democrats who are holding a public inquiry into the allegations Monday.

Sen. Byron Dorgan (news, bio, voting record), D-N.D., who will chair the session, held a number of similar inquiries last year on contracting abuses in Iraq. He said Democrats were acting on their own because they had not been able to persuade Republican committee chairmen to investigate.

The company's former water treatment expert at Camp Junction City said that he discovered the problem last March, a statement confirmed by his e-mail the day after he tested the water.

While bottled water was available for drinking, the contaminated water was used for virtually everything else, including handwashing, laundry, bathing and making coffee, said water expert Ben Carter of Cedar City, Utah.

Another former Halliburton employee who worked at the base, Ken May of Louisville, said there were numerous instances of diarrhea and stomach cramps — problems he also suffered.

A spokeswoman for Halliburton said its own inspection found neither contaminated water nor medical evidence to substantiate reports of illnesses at the base. The company now operates its own water treatment plant there, spokeswoman Melissa Norcross said.

A military medical unit that visited Camp Ramadi in mid-April found nothing out of the ordinary in terms of water quality, said Marine Corps Maj. Tim Keefe, a military spokesman. Water-quality testing records from May 23 show the water within normal parameters, he said.

"The allegations appear not to have merit," Keefe said.

Halliburton has contracts to provide a number of services to U.S. forces in Iraq and was responsible for the water quality at the base in Ramadi.

Granger's July 15 memo said the exposure had gone on for "possibly a year" and added, "I am not sure if any attempt to notify the exposed population was ever made."

The first memo on the problem — written by Carter to Halliburton officials on March 24, 2005 — was an "incident report" from tests Carter performed the previous day.

"It is my opinion that the water source is without question contaminated with numerous micro-organisms, including Coliform bacteria," Carter wrote. "There is little doubt that raw sewage is routinely dumped upstream of intake much less than the required 2 mile distance.
"Therefore, it is my conclusion that chlorination of our water tanks while certainly beneficial is not sufficient protection from parasitic exposure."

Carter said he resigned in early April after Halliburton officials did not take any action to inform the camp population.

The water expert said he told company officials at the base that they would have to notify the military. "They told me it was none of my concern and to keep my mouth shut," he said.

On at least one occasion, Carter said, he spoke to the chief military surgeon at the base, asking him whether he was aware of stomach problems afflicting people. He said the surgeon told him he would look into it.

"They brushed it under the carpet," Carter said. "I told everyone, 'Don't take showers, use bottled water."

A July 14, 2005, memo showed that Halliburton's public relations department knew of the problem.

"I don't want to turn it into a big issue right now," staff member Jennifer Dellinger wrote in the memo, "but if we end up getting some media calls I want to make sure we have all the facts so we are ready to respond."

Halliburton's performance in Iraq has been criticized in a number of military audits, and congressional Democrats have contended that the Bush administration has favored the company with noncompetitive contracts.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060123/ap_ ... ated_water

That's awesome, if they just got water out of the Euphrates with buckets, their water would have been twice as clean as the water for which we paid billions to Halliburton. :lol:

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I really wonder why tasks like this need to be given to defense contractors. It seems like a pretty straightforward task to do, and can mostly be fulfilled by fairly autonomous machines manned almost entirely by enlisted personell. I just don't see the cost effectiveness for these here defense contractors, not to mention their questionable legal status as "civilians" on the battlefield.


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I really wonder why tasks like this need to be given to defense contractors. It seems like a pretty straightforward task to do, and can mostly be fulfilled by fairly autonomous machines manned almost entirely by enlisted personell. I just don't see the cost effectiveness for these here defense contractors, not to mention their questionable legal status as "civilians" on the battlefield.

But, but, if the soldiers did the jobs, private companies wouldn't be making any profits. :?: :?: :?:

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Ah, good ole KBR. I wouldn't question thier civilian status were I you. I have never seen a KBR worker with a weapon.

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So it goes.

I'll share some pics tomorrow from Djibouti.

Fact is, a lot of these bases have water trucked into them. Fact is, none of those sources are gonna be clean. There are signs everywhere on this base that explicitly tell everyone not to drink the water from the taps under any circumstance.

You don't make coffee with this water either. Nor do you wash your coffee pot out with it. That's what the bottled water is there for.

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"They brushed it under the carpet," Carter said. "I told everyone, 'Don't take showers, use bottled water."


:roll:

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So it goes.

I'll share some pics tomorrow from Djibouti.

Fact is, a lot of these bases have water trucked into them. Fact is, none of those sources are gonna be clean. There are signs everywhere on this base that explicitly tell everyone not to drink the water from the taps under any circumstance.

You don't make coffee with this water either. Nor do you wash your coffee pot out with it. That's what the bottled water is there for.

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"They brushed it under the carpet," Carter said. "I told everyone, 'Don't take showers, use bottled water."


:roll:

Environmental risks are a part of the job and no dark secret...


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LittleWing wrote:
Environmental risks are a part of the job and no dark secret...


Although I'm not excusing this like LW seems to be, I kinda agree with this statement, or at least not surprised by it. War, the art of blowing things up, doesn't sound environmentally friendly to me at all. Just another reason why it shouldn't happen so lightly.


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Environmental risks are a part of the job and no dark secret...


You're sick


Maybe literally if Halliburton is cleaning his water too. :lol:

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Green Habit wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
Environmental risks are a part of the job and no dark secret...


Although I'm not excusing this like LW seems to be, I kinda agree with this statement, or at least not surprised by it. War, the art of blowing things up, doesn't sound environmentally friendly to me at all. Just another reason why it shouldn't happen so lightly.


That stuff about using it as shower water and not drinking it makes sense ... but if you're paid to "treat" it ... it shouldn't be twice as contaminiated as raw river water, regardless of what soldiers do with it.

If LittleWing's statement is totally true, then why did we even hire Halliburton in the first place?

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Green Habit wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
Environmental risks are a part of the job and no dark secret...


Although I'm not excusing this like LW seems to be, I kinda agree with this statement, or at least not surprised by it. War, the art of blowing things up, doesn't sound environmentally friendly to me at all. Just another reason why it shouldn't happen so lightly.


That stuff about using it as shower water and not drinking it makes sense ... but if you're paid to "treat" it ... it shouldn't be twice as contaminiated as raw river water, regardless of what soldiers do with it.

If LittleWing's statement is totally true, then why did we even hire Halliburton in the first place?


If you would read the article it clearly stated that the water was treated by "chlorination". Chlorination is a very standard practice of disenfecting water in the US. Most US small town water treatment facilities only use chlorination.

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B wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
Environmental risks are a part of the job and no dark secret...


Although I'm not excusing this like LW seems to be, I kinda agree with this statement, or at least not surprised by it. War, the art of blowing things up, doesn't sound environmentally friendly to me at all. Just another reason why it shouldn't happen so lightly.


That stuff about using it as shower water and not drinking it makes sense ... but if you're paid to "treat" it ... it shouldn't be twice as contaminiated as raw river water, regardless of what soldiers do with it.

If LittleWing's statement is totally true, then why did we even hire Halliburton in the first place?


If you would read the article it clearly stated that the water was treated by "chlorination". Chlorination is a very standard practice of disenfecting water in the US. Most US small town water treatment facilities only use chlorination.


Who cares how they're treating it if it's coming out more contaminated than it's going in?

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B wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
Environmental risks are a part of the job and no dark secret...


Although I'm not excusing this like LW seems to be, I kinda agree with this statement, or at least not surprised by it. War, the art of blowing things up, doesn't sound environmentally friendly to me at all. Just another reason why it shouldn't happen so lightly.


That stuff about using it as shower water and not drinking it makes sense ... but if you're paid to "treat" it ... it shouldn't be twice as contaminiated as raw river water, regardless of what soldiers do with it.

If LittleWing's statement is totally true, then why did we even hire Halliburton in the first place?


If you would read the article it clearly stated that the water was treated by "chlorination". Chlorination is a very standard practice of disenfecting water in the US. Most US small town water treatment facilities only use chlorination.


Who cares how they're treating it if it's coming out more contaminated than it's going in?


Now you are just making shit up.

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B wrote:
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B wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
Environmental risks are a part of the job and no dark secret...


Although I'm not excusing this like LW seems to be, I kinda agree with this statement, or at least not surprised by it. War, the art of blowing things up, doesn't sound environmentally friendly to me at all. Just another reason why it shouldn't happen so lightly.


That stuff about using it as shower water and not drinking it makes sense ... but if you're paid to "treat" it ... it shouldn't be twice as contaminiated as raw river water, regardless of what soldiers do with it.

If LittleWing's statement is totally true, then why did we even hire Halliburton in the first place?


If you would read the article it clearly stated that the water was treated by "chlorination". Chlorination is a very standard practice of disenfecting water in the US. Most US small town water treatment facilities only use chlorination.


Who cares how they're treating it if it's coming out more contaminated than it's going in?


Now you are just making shit up.

The article wrote:
"The level of contamination was roughly 2x the normal contamination of untreated water from the Euphrates River," Granger wrote in one of several documents. The Associated Press obtained the documents from Senate Democrats who are holding a public inquiry into the allegations Monday.

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Now you are just making shit up.


If you would read the article it clearly stated .... :P

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Zutballs wrote:
B wrote:
Zutballs wrote:
B wrote:
Green Habit wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
Environmental risks are a part of the job and no dark secret...


Although I'm not excusing this like LW seems to be, I kinda agree with this statement, or at least not surprised by it. War, the art of blowing things up, doesn't sound environmentally friendly to me at all. Just another reason why it shouldn't happen so lightly.


That stuff about using it as shower water and not drinking it makes sense ... but if you're paid to "treat" it ... it shouldn't be twice as contaminiated as raw river water, regardless of what soldiers do with it.

If LittleWing's statement is totally true, then why did we even hire Halliburton in the first place?


If you would read the article it clearly stated that the water was treated by "chlorination". Chlorination is a very standard practice of disenfecting water in the US. Most US small town water treatment facilities only use chlorination.


Who cares how they're treating it if it's coming out more contaminated than it's going in?


Now you are just making shit up.

The article wrote:
"The level of contamination was roughly 2x the normal contamination of untreated water from the Euphrates River," Granger wrote in one of several documents. The Associated Press obtained the documents from Senate Democrats who are holding a public inquiry into the allegations Monday.


Well then someone isn't telling the truth because its chemically impossible to treat H20 with Cl and not get rid of the microbes. The only way chlorine doesn't kill 100% is if either the time of contact or the concentration of chlorine wasn't sufficient.

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Well then someone isn't telling the truth because its chemically impossible to treat H20 with Cl and not get rid of the microbes. The only way chlorine doesn't kill 100% is if either the time of contact or the concentration of chlorine wasn't sufficient.

I'll put my money on it being Halliburton not telling the truth.

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"We exposed a base camp population (military and civilian) to a water source that was not treated," said a July 15, 2005, memo written by William Granger, the official for Halliburton's KBR subsidiary who was in charge of water quality in Iraq and Kuwait.



"It is my opinion that the water source is without question contaminated with numerous micro-organisms, including Coliform bacteria," Carter wrote. "There is little doubt that raw sewage is routinely dumped upstream of intake much less than the required 2 mile distance.
"Therefore, it is my conclusion that chlorination of our water tanks while certainly beneficial is not sufficient protection from parasitic exposure."

Carter said he resigned in early April after Halliburton officials did not take any action to inform the camp population.



This article tells 2 different stories. One person is saying the water system wasn't treated and the other is saying that chlroination is not enough.

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This article tells 2 different stories. One person is saying the water system wasn't treated and the other is saying that chlroination is not enough.


I'll give you that. It does appear to come at the indictment from two different angles. Could this be an example of unbiased reporting? :shock:

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