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Let's just make a list:
Euthanasia for animals: legal, and in fact is common practice
Euthanasia for humans: illegal
Pulling the plug on a brain-dead patient w/a living will: legal
Pulling the plug on a brain-dead patient w/o a living will: can of worms
Assisted suicide: illegal except in Oregon
Attempted suicide: illegal, I think--how is this prosecuted, if at all?
Successful suicide: unenforceable
Does anyone else see a very inconsistent message on this issue in general? Does anyone have an rational explanation for this?
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Green Habit wrote:
Does anyone else see a very inconsistent message on this issue in general?
Does anyone have an rational explanation for this?
Yes, I see a very inconsistent message. Perhaps when the Baby Boomers are all put into nursing homes by their children, they will look to their legistlators to effect change on their behalf so they can have the right to die with dignity and without suffering.
No, I have no rational explination of this at all. None whatsoever.
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:19 pm Posts: 39068 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA Gender: Male
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In the U.S. suicide has never been treated as a crime nor punished by property forfeiture or ignominious burial. (Some states listed it on the books as a felony but imposed no penalty.) Curiously, as of 1963, six states still considered attempted suicide a crime--North and South Dakota, Washington, New Jersey, Nevada, and Oklahoma. Of course they didn't take matters as seriously as the Roman emperor Hadrian, who in 117 AD declared attempted suicide by soldiers a form of desertion and made it--no joke this time--a capital offense.
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Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:19 pm Posts: 39068 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA Gender: Male
I think legally, people should be allowed to make informed choices of their own life and death. I've argued pretty heavily in the "Is suicide OK?" thread for stopping healthy people from offing themselves in any way possible, but I don't think there should be legal sanctions.
With abortion, yeah, it'd be nice to let the infant choose, but the mother has a life to consider as well. So, until that infant can live on its own, I gotta leave that choice with her. Abortion should fall into the same category as suicide. It's a suck-ass choice for 99% of people, but you can't punish people for making it.
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id say you have a right to kill yourself depending on the situation, as long as it doesnt physically interact with someone, that is, someone sees your death
take a long walk into the ocean at 3am in the morning when no one or hardly anyone would notice. go out to the forest and never come back.
but hang yourself in your room where family members may stumble upon ya, or jump in front of a bus and scare the bajesus outta the bus driver? no
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Peeps wrote:
id say you have a right to kill yourself depending on the situation, as long as it doesnt physically interact with someone, that is, someone sees your death
take a long walk into the ocean at 3am in the morning when no one or hardly anyone would notice. go out to the forest and never come back.
but hang yourself in your room where family members may stumble upon ya, or jump in front of a bus and scare the bajesus outta the bus driver? no
Dig a hole, take a bunch of sleeping pills, cover yourself in dirt before the pills kick in. (eat a couple slices of bread first!)
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id say you have a right to kill yourself depending on the situation, as long as it doesnt physically interact with someone, that is, someone sees your death
take a long walk into the ocean at 3am in the morning when no one or hardly anyone would notice. go out to the forest and never come back.
but hang yourself in your room where family members may stumble upon ya, or jump in front of a bus and scare the bajesus outta the bus driver? no
Dig a hole, take a bunch of sleeping pills, cover yourself in dirt before the pills kick in. (eat a couple slices of bread first!)
man thats a horrible thing to say to me especially when im still trying to figure out your damn spreadsheet mister
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:26 am Posts: 7994 Location: Philadelphia
Peeps wrote:
jimmac24 wrote:
Peeps wrote:
id say you have a right to kill yourself depending on the situation, as long as it doesnt physically interact with someone, that is, someone sees your death
take a long walk into the ocean at 3am in the morning when no one or hardly anyone would notice. go out to the forest and never come back.
but hang yourself in your room where family members may stumble upon ya, or jump in front of a bus and scare the bajesus outta the bus driver? no
Dig a hole, take a bunch of sleeping pills, cover yourself in dirt before the pills kick in. (eat a couple slices of bread first!)
man thats a horrible thing to say to me especially when im still trying to figure out your damn spreadsheet mister
What spreadsheet?
I was giving advice on how someone should off themself, not telling you to do that.
_________________ Something tells me that the first mousetrap wasn't designed to catch mice at all, but to protect little cheese "gems" from burglars.
The issue that arises with the long swim or walk in the woods is that, it takes a while for benefits to kick in for ones family, families question if the person is truly lost. Anyway, the whole thing destroys a family altogether. Suicide reaches far past the individual and effects the whole family. There are on occasion incidents where I see how people see it as the only options (incurable disease), but I could never do it.
Moral: If you take the long swim, tie something bouyant to your leg so as to allow people to find you.
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suicide is for pussies who can't live with whats gone wrong with their lives. the only time someone should be allowed to chose when they can snuff themselves is when they are terminally ill
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My next question is why the hell would you have a spreadsheet from jimjammin?
i teach excel and he was having problems with a personal training sheet he was setting up for clients. i cant solve it, and have passed it onto a MOUS (Microsoft Office User Specialist)instructor
Joined: Wed Oct 20, 2004 3:26 am Posts: 7994 Location: Philadelphia
Peeps wrote:
jimmac24 wrote:
My next question is why the hell would you have a spreadsheet from jimjammin?
i teach excel and he was having problems with a personal training sheet he was setting up for clients. i cant solve it, and have passed it onto a MOUS (Microsoft Office User Specialist)instructor
ahhh, I figured you 2 were enemies, like me and you. You are good for something. If I ever use excel for anything more than the basics I'll have to hit you up.
_________________ Something tells me that the first mousetrap wasn't designed to catch mice at all, but to protect little cheese "gems" from burglars.
My next question is why the hell would you have a spreadsheet from jimjammin?
i teach excel and he was having problems with a personal training sheet he was setting up for clients. i cant solve it, and have passed it onto a MOUS (Microsoft Office User Specialist)instructor
ahhh, I figured you 2 were enemies, like me and you. You are good for something. If I ever use excel for anything more than the basics I'll have to hit you up.
oh, i still believe filly fans are by far the worse of all fans out there, next to maybe only boston fans, but i dont let my contempt for who a person roots for get in the way of reason and being able to help folks out if i can, if i didnt talk to people who annoyed me or tried to help out when i could, id be a monk
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:19 pm Posts: 39068 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA Gender: Male
Peeps, you're quite the expert at turning intelligent debates into personal fights.
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