This is some local news. I was impressed with this guy's tenacity. During his pursuit, he ran over and killed a suspect, but I think it would be a shame to charge him with any crime.

However, I did find it curious that he had so much money in his wallet. _____________________________________________________________

Robbed man kills suspect with car

Wednesday, November 24, 2004

Associated Press
TRENTON

A frightened father who chased after four men who robbed him and threatened to rape his daughter killed one of the suspects by running him over with a sport utility vehicle, police said.

Police were still searching Tuesday for one of the four suspects who might face murder charges in addition to robbery and weapons violations. The father, 54-year-old Robert O'Neal has not been charged, said Sgt. Pedro Medina.

"Right now it's still under investigation. He's not being charged with anything," Medina said.

O'Neal was robbed at gunpoint outside his home Sunday night, according to police reports. He had just walked his two daughters to the house and returned to his car when he was confronted by the four suspects.

One of them demanded his wallet, and O'Neal handed it over, according to police. Inside were his credit cards and $1,500 in cash.

When the four left, O'Neal jumped into his silver Dodge Durango and chased after them along Route 29.

One of the suspects fired several shots at O'Neal from the back of a station wagon. O'Neal smashed into the suspect's car, and the gunman jumped out and fired two more shots at O'Neal, according to the police report.

During that chase O'Neal ran over the gunman, police said. The dead man was identified by police as 20-year-old Trenton resident Jose Alvarez, an escapee from a Middlesex County corrections facility.

I for one enjoy hearing about dead convicts, though you are not going to garner much support from this board.

I think that he can claim self-defense if the guy was shooting at him.

--PunkDavid

I too enjoy it, but I'm sure there are people that think that this man used too much force and "didn't have to kill the poor victim of society".

Anyway, good for him. Maybe the other three will think twice before they hold up a person at gunpoint.

Unfortunately for the SUV man, law folks will probably end up saying that he should have stayed put and not pulled some vigilante justice especially if his life was not in danger.



Or they might think, "Hey, let's kill the guy after we rob him so he won't chase us."

P.S. Sorry if it seems I'm always offering up some different view point to everything you say. I'm just trying to toss out all sorts of ideas here. I don't know. I make zero sense most of the time.

im glad this fucker took it into his own hands. the cops wouldnt have caught them. he woudl have lived in fear. and if they did catch him..again..hed either get out on parole and end up raping someone. or escape.

or that seems to be the way things are going.

im glad that guy is dead.

and carrying 1500 in his wallet isnt a big thing. when my father goes to the bank on payday he walks out with 1000 in cash. money for groceries etc etc... you know

They have cops now in Trenton? What's next, cops in Camden?

--PunkDavid

This guy was an idiot and is lucky he didn't get shot in the face. Did he not think about his daughters when he went off to risk his life?

i think thats exactly what he was thinking about.

I think he was thinkin' 'bout his grip.

--PunkDavid (got my mind on my money, and my money on my mind)

My viewpoint is that if you clearly put yourself above the law, you should have no claim on protection by the law. Those people who clearly broke the law don't deserve any rights if they tried taking those rights away from others.

hmmmm guy is out of harms way, with no threat of immediate attack, and goes after them, and is hailed hero

artest does the same thing, but doesnt kill anyone, and hes worse than osama


anyways, if i was the guy, i would have tried to kill them all, they knew where he lived and threatend to rape his daughters (allegedly)

Are you kidding me?! The robbers leave and then this guy actually chooses to go off after them. This is not self defense, this is a guy taking the law into his own hands. There's a reason we don't allow people to retaliate or anything like this, I hope he gets punished severely.

you have to look at the guys state of mind, if they did threaten to rape his children, its 100% justified imo, and theres no way a jury would convict

If someone threatens your children, you go to the police, it's that simple. His children weren't in any immediate harm. What he did is called retaliation and the jury should certainly convict, assuming we have all the correct details.

So it would be ok if he was wearing a badge and driving a squad car when he ran over him?

No? If there was a point, it went completely over my head.

youre kidding right? they left, they threatend to rape his children, they could just have easily came back that night

I think what he did is called justice. There really isn't any question that the person run over was one of the men involved in robbing him, right? So he was punished. Perhaps too severely, but when you point a gun at someone, your risking a lot, including your own safety.

My point is that you are villifying this man for doing exactly what law enforcement officials (those you want to be responsible for enforcing the law) do everyday. The thing is, they get off scott free because of who they are. I see no difference in what this guy did from what cops do across the country everyday. Yet, somehow, he is made to be the bad guy because he "took the law into his own hands."