what do you think of al qaeda. obviously terrorists. but they come from the stand point of wanting to wipe out what we believe in, while we come from the standpoint of wanting to wipe out what they believe in.

now al qaeda would argue the "West" and its "Democracy" are against everything their religion stands for and the QU'ran or whatever.

so do you think that coming from their standpoint its a "noble" fight, or is that a good coverup to just wanting all the power in the world... (much like how i view the US)

Not necessarily. Who said al Queda wants to wipe out everything "we" believe in? Did you not listen to the bin Laden tape from a few weeks ago?

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Absolutely. Internally, they are as justified as we are.

When did al Queda announce a quest for world domination? I think the world missed that memo because that's never been their cause.

well thats what im asking.

obviosuly they havent annoucned it. but really, isnt that whate very nation and leader wants? i think so. as i believe our country would like to continue being the domineering power and do what it takes to do so.

i believe they want to wipe out everything we stand for. and everything we support

I am not actually sure what Al Qaeda's cause is. Its certainly not because of their "hatred of freedom" as Bush likes to simplify it to. A lot of has to do with supporting Israel, our policy in the Middle East, particularly with the exploitation of oil. I'm sort of confused as to who they side with. The Saudi government encourages terrorism, but at the same time I don't understand why the terrorists wouldn't hate the Saudi government, as they are no better for their cause than the U.S. or the oil tycoons. Bin Laden says that Islam makes it their duty to kill westerners, but this is nonsense because they are only using their religion as a recruitment tool.

Terrorism is definitley a problem that needs to be solved, obviously these people are ruthless pychotics...but you look at our government's actions after 9/11, we are only breeding more hatred and violence down the line, undoubtadely. The situation is too complex to be simplified into an argument for more violence.

Based on what? What you've seen on NBC? What's the basis for your depth of understanding of their beliefs and goals?

obviosuly i dont know because i havent sat down with mr bin laden. but everything we stand for is prettymuch everything the quran is against? for the most part? i could be wrong, most likely am. I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE IDEA THAT BUSH PUTS OUT THERE. the "they hate our freedom" its not our freedom. its our culture that promotes things that islam is against, or at least these radicals. its our foreign policy etc...

and i was basically putting a qquestion out ther eot their actual beliefs and goals, for discussion.

Any cause that supports the suppression of freedom is far from noble. The style of life in the Taliban-governed Afghanistan and the regions in northwest Pakistan are hardly humane, and that's without taking terrorist tactics into account, just lifestyle/laws/rules.

I'm sure that to the members of Al-Queda their cause is more than noble, but from a humanistic viewpoint, I don't see how those attitudes could be considered noble by any stretch of the imagination.

they would say the same about us.

I disagree. Brainwashing in remote regions of the world is quite simple. And of course, I'm sure someone will say we're brainwashed as well, but the difference is that we have the technology and freedom to explore other traditions and cultures without depending on our government to tell us about them.

very well said

Good call.

The Taliban and Al Qaeda are not the same thing. Obviously, regimes like the Taliban are not noble, and rule by fear, corruption, and the exploitation of the weak. And while the Taliban supported Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda has no plans to set up like-minded regimes anywhere in the world. All Al-Qaeda has stated it wants to do is get the US out of the Holy Land and get the US to back off from support of Israel.

Al Qaeda's goals, depending on your perspective, I suppose could be considered noble. Their methods, however, are sick and twisted by any sane measure.

So, yes we have a more humanistic society than the Taliban. But as for judging the 'nobleness' of our end goals compared to the end goals of Al Qaeda... it is entirely a matter of perception.

I recognize them as cold-blooded killers.
However, one is living in denial if one does not recognize the fact that US foreign policy had much to do with their creation.

The way some of you think will never cease to amaze me......

Well...I'd say a good simile to Al Queda would be...Yasser Arafat.

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Didn't we kill women and children in another country when US troops took over when their country didn't want us there?

I mean I'd be fucking pissed off if another country came into USA for their "belief" to correct our way of living, or thinking. Wait, they did that already - Sept 11th and previous attempts.

I am NOT defending Bin Laden at all... I am just saying that is probably how he views all of this and if he had a lot of $$$, what can he do to teach us a lesson? I'd probably want a revenge or try to get their attention to get their soliders out of our country.

What would you do if you had all that money and you are so god damn pissed off that soliders from other countries are in your country killing people?


Bin Laden is a rich motherf*ker and he's hiding in caves.

Bush is a rich motherf*ker and he's living like a king.

Well, I admit I don't put up a pretty good argument but had to put in my 2 cents from what I've been seeing.

aside from your obvious hatred of the united states, why do you think they are good?

so what country does bin laden represent again?

i see him a much much much more powerful version of some of the anti-govt militias that are here in the united states. boo hoo i dont like how things are run, and im in the minority, so i think ill kill people (innocent people) to get my point across.

if hes so against US policy in his country, why doesnt he kill the people who are aiding the US in that part, namely his family?