Post subject: Oregon To Kill Sea Lions For Eating Fish
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:51 pm
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April 3, 2006 Days may be numbered for problem sea lions
By Brian Barker and KATU.com Web Staff
BONNEVILLE DAM - Despite bombs, boats and rubber bullets, dozens of sea lions are continuing to kill salmon near the Bonneville Dam.
This month, biologists are trying one last time to scare off the problem sea lions, but if that doesn't work, they may try to kill them.
Sea lions could kill as much as 10 percent of this spring's salmon run and biologists say if they cannot get the problem solved soon, the situation could get ugly.
The sea lions are just doing what comes naturally - finding a way to keep their bellies full.
The problem is that the salmon are disappearing. An estimated 8,000 salmon will be lost this spring at Bonneville Dam.
State wildlife officials are mounting an aggressive effort to scare the sea lions away from the dam. The effort is their last stab at solving the problem before they will have to consider killing the sea lions.
"The difficult part about it is we're trying to save the endangered salmon as they are going up past the dam, but you've got the Marine Mammal Protection Act that protects these marine mammals," says Bob Stansell, a Biologist with the Army Corps of Engineers.
The biggest violator is sea lion C-404. He has managed to penetrate the fish ladder at Bonneville Dam.
Biologists say there are nearly 1,000 other sea lions hunting salmon in the Columbia River and they could conceivably kill 10 percent of the fish that come through the dam.
If the sea lions cannot be scared off, Oregon's Fish and Wildlife Commission has already applied for a permit to kill some of the problem sea lions, like C-404.
Killing the sea lions would be a last resort, but the idea is certainly a controversial one.
"Because they're so cute," says tourist Kristin Zubel. "They're not hurting anybody and there should be plenty of fish to go around."
The efforts to harass the sea lions enough to scare them away from Bonneville Dam will last through May.
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corduroy_blazer wrote:
sort of mixed on this one.
Why? Don't you like playing God?
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"Because they're so cute," says tourist Kristin Zubel. "They're not hurting anybody and there should be plenty of fish to go around."
The problem Kristin, if you had bothered to read the article, is that there AREN'T enough fish to go around.
Is it not possible to install a net or weir or something that is big enough to allow the salmon to pass through and not the sea lions? If you are willing to spend the time and money to kill off thousands of sea lions, this can't be that much more of an expense.
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MF wrote:
Is it not possible to install a net or weir or something that is big enough to allow the salmon to pass through and not the sea lions? If you are willing to spend the time and money to kill off thousands of sea lions, this can't be that much more of an expense.
The problem, MF, if you bothered to read the article, is that sea lion C-404 has learned to penetrate the fish ladder.
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B wrote:
MF wrote:
Is it not possible to install a net or weir or something that is big enough to allow the salmon to pass through and not the sea lions? If you are willing to spend the time and money to kill off thousands of sea lions, this can't be that much more of an expense.
The problem, MF, if you bothered to read the article, is that sea lion C-404 has learned to penetrate the fish ladder.
Just curious, is C-404 a name they gave to a particular sea lion, or is it a whole breed of sea lions that learned to penetrate the fish ladder?
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$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
B wrote:
MF wrote:
Is it not possible to install a net or weir or something that is big enough to allow the salmon to pass through and not the sea lions? If you are willing to spend the time and money to kill off thousands of sea lions, this can't be that much more of an expense.
The problem, MF, if you bothered to read the article, is that sea lion C-404 has learned to penetrate the fish ladder.
Just curious, is C-404 a name they gave to a particular sea lion, or is it a whole breed of sea lions that learned to penetrate the fish ladder?
I have no idea. I just thought it would be fun to replicate MF's post.
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B wrote:
$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
B wrote:
MF wrote:
Is it not possible to install a net or weir or something that is big enough to allow the salmon to pass through and not the sea lions? If you are willing to spend the time and money to kill off thousands of sea lions, this can't be that much more of an expense.
The problem, MF, if you bothered to read the article, is that sea lion C-404 has learned to penetrate the fish ladder.
Just curious, is C-404 a name they gave to a particular sea lion, or is it a whole breed of sea lions that learned to penetrate the fish ladder?
I have no idea. I just thought it would be fun to replicate MF's post.
Fair enough.
It would seem kinda odd if it's just one sea lion.
"Look at that little rascal C-404! Always getting into trouble!"
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$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
B wrote:
MF wrote:
Is it not possible to install a net or weir or something that is big enough to allow the salmon to pass through and not the sea lions? If you are willing to spend the time and money to kill off thousands of sea lions, this can't be that much more of an expense.
The problem, MF, if you bothered to read the article, is that sea lion C-404 has learned to penetrate the fish ladder.
Just curious, is C-404 a name they gave to a particular sea lion, or is it a whole breed of sea lions that learned to penetrate the fish ladder?
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Peeps wrote:
why do they always show such a cute picture of said animal, and not the one that makes him look like the meanest mother fucker on the planet
Click the link. The photos in the story aren't near as flattering as the one I went out of my way to google.
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Peeps wrote:
B wrote:
Peeps wrote:
why do they always show such a cute picture of said animal, and not the one that makes him look like the meanest mother fucker on the planet
Click the link. The photos in the story aren't near as flattering as the one I went out of my way to google.
so you slant the news, how fox like of you b
I don't know that that ISN'T one of the sea lions. I also pulled it out of the quotes. That picture is part of my opinion.
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People, the problem is not the sea lions or the fish, it's the damn dam. Without the damn dam, there would be no convergence of said fish. Without the damn dam, there, in turn, would be no assembly of said cute sea lions, including C-404. Without the damn dam, there would be no problem.
why do they always show such a cute picture of said animal, and not the one that makes him look like the meanest mother fucker on the planet
Click the link. The photos in the story aren't near as flattering as the one I went out of my way to google.
so you slant the news, how fox like of you b
I don't know that that ISN'T one of the sea lions. I also pulled it out of the quotes. That picture is part of my opinion.
so you honestly believe that a picture you admitted to googling and going out of your way to do so, could be one in the same as the one beint discussed in the article about?
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B wrote:
$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
B wrote:
MF wrote:
Is it not possible to install a net or weir or something that is big enough to allow the salmon to pass through and not the sea lions? If you are willing to spend the time and money to kill off thousands of sea lions, this can't be that much more of an expense.
The problem, MF, if you bothered to read the article, is that sea lion C-404 has learned to penetrate the fish ladder.
Just curious, is C-404 a name they gave to a particular sea lion, or is it a whole breed of sea lions that learned to penetrate the fish ladder?
I have no idea. I just thought it would be fun to replicate MF's post.
I still think that a net placed further out in the water where the fish aren't as close together and in a vulnerable position (such as in a fish ladder), and maybe coupled with a fence on land would fix the problem. If you've ever seen a fish ladder, you know that it wouldn't really take the brightest of seals to figure it out. They come in different shapes and sizes, but this should give you a basic idea of the setup:
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