HAMAS sought to put pressure on Israel when it said it was willing to restart negotiations to settle the Palestinian question.
On the eve of the Israeli general election, Palestinian prime minister designate Ismail Haniyeh used his first speech to a Palestinian parliament — now controlled by his Islamist group — to commit his party to talks with international mediators on the issue. He gave the appearance of meeting one of Israel's key demands when he said Hamas would respect international agreements signed by the outgoing Fatah-controlled government as long as they were "in harmony" with the Palestinian people.
Banned by Israel from leaving his home in Gaza, he spoke to the parliament in the West Bank town of Ramallah by video link.
Mr Haniyeh made conciliatory noises about negotiations with "the quartet" — the European Union, the United States, Russia and the United Nations.
"Our government will be ready for a dialogue with the quartet to look into all ways to end the state of struggle," he said.
"The government will seek to be open and to have dialogue with all countries, including the EU, to pursue giving aid to our people and our government in order to afford a dignified life to our people."
He used his speech to give a vague outline of the government's ambitions for its first period in office, emphasising the social programs Hamas has organised since it was founded in the late 1980s.
Hamas, which carried out about 60 suicide bombings against civilian Israeli targets during the intifada, has long been associated with armed resistance to Israel's presence in the occupied territories. But Mr Haniyeh sought to present a more peaceful image.
Israel refused to concede that his speech included any genuine concessions. A foreign ministry spokesman accused Mr Haniyeh of double-talk.
Security was tight across Israel on Monday night. Late opinion polls suggested Kadima, the centrist party set up in November by Ariel Sharon before he suffered a stroke that left him in a coma, would be the largest party after yesterday's election, with about 35 seats.
However, it will need to build a coalition capable of commanding 61 seats before it can form a government.
PM Olmert Declares Victory for Kadima Party in Israel
Tuesday , March 28, 2006
JERUSALEM — Acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert declared victory for his centrist Kadima party in Israel's elections Tuesday, vowing to act on his own if necessary to draw Israel's final borders and "painfully" uproot Jewish settlers if negotiations with the Palestinians are not possible.
Standing below a massive portrait of his mentor Ariel Sharon, Olmert addressed chanting Kadima members as it became clear the party had won enough seats in parliament to form a ruling coalition.
Building on the vision of Sharon, who formed the party shortly before succumbing to a devastating stroke that left him in a coma, Olmert claimed a mandate to withdraw from much of the West Bank and set Israel's borders, which he has said he will do by 2010.
With 99.7 percent of polling stations accounted for, Kadima was winning 28 of 120 seats in parliament, the Election Commission reported early Wednesday.
The turnout was the lowest in Israel's history, and the results showed voters turning away from conventional political parties to an assortment of third parties with agendas ranging from pensioner rights to the legalization of marijuana. The aftermath will likely be a period of difficult negotiations between Olmert and potential coalition partners.
"Today, Israeli democracy has spoken its piece, in a loud and clear voice," Olmert declared. "Israel wants Kadima," which means forward in Hebrew.
Labor leader Amirt Peretz and Likud chief Benjamin Netanyahu called Olmert to congratulate him, as did British Prime Minister Tony Blair.
Olmert said he was ready for new peace talks and was prepared to make painful compromises such as uprooting some Jewish settlements in the West Bank and allowing Palestinians to have a state. But he demanded that the Palestinians be willing to compromise in return.
"In the coming period, we will move to set the final borders of the state of Israel, a Jewish state with a Jewish majority," Olmert said. "We will try to achieve this in an agreement with the Palestinians."
Olmert has said he would govern only with parties that accept his program, and projections showed a center-left coalition capturing 61 to 65 seats in the 120-member parliament. The hawkish parties fell far short of their plan to win enough seats to block Olmert's program.
As Israel held its election, the Palestinian parliament approved a new Cabinet led by the Hamas militant group. Incoming Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh told Al-Jazeera television that he opposed Olmert's plan. "Such a plan definitely won't be accepted by the Palestinian people or the Palestinian government," he said.
Allies of Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, a moderate from the Fatah Party, called for immediately renewing talks on the internationally backed "road map" peace plan under the auspices of the Palestine Liberation Organization, which he heads.
Olmert has said he supports the road map but will not wait indefinitely for a peace deal and would move unilaterally after a reasonable period of time.
Turning to the Palestinians, Olmert said: "We are prepared to compromise, give up parts of our beloved land of Israel, remove, painfully, Jews who live there, to allow you the conditions to achieve your hopes and to live in a state in peace and quiet."
"The time has come for the Palestinians ... to relate to the existence of the state of Israel, to accept only part of their dream, to stop terror, to accept democracy and accept compromise and peace with us," he said.
Israeli officials have ruled out talks with Hamas unless the Islamic group renounces violence and accepts Israel's right to exist, demands Hamas has so far rejected. It remains unclear whether Olmert would negotiate with Abbas without a change in Hamas' position.
The leader of the largest party is traditionally asked first to try to form a ruling coalition. Whether Olmert chooses to form a government with dovish parties or more hardline factions could determine his ability to carry out his plan. With the results early Wednesday, Labor was winning 20 seats and Likud 11.
Olmert could form a coalition with Labor, the dovish Meretz and the party that advocates pensions for retirees, or he could add the ultra-Orthodox Shas or United Torah Judaism parties to his government.
Olmert, the vice prime minister and former mayor of Jerusalem, took over the party after Sharon suffered a devastating Jan. 4 stroke and immediately became the favorite to win the elections. Much of Kadima's campaign was built around Sharon, Israel's most popular politician, and his legacy resonated with many voters.
"It was important for me to vote, to continue the way of Sharon," said Rina Golan, 65, who voted for Kadima.
But Sharon had been much more circumspect than Olmert about his post-election plans. He never spoke of drawing final borders, and said there would not be an additional unilateral pullout in the West Bank.
Labor's total represented a strong showing by new party leader Peretz, who ran on a social platform advocating a higher minimum wage and guaranteed pensions for the elderly.
"The Labor Party has regained its credibility," said Labor lawmaker Colette Avital.
Likud, which had dominated Israeli politics for decades, was crushed, appearing to capture less than a third of the 38 seats it won in the last election. Netanyahu, the former prime minister and current party head, warned that further unilateral withdrawals would bring Hamas closer to Israel.
"We have no doubt that the Likud suffered a hard blow," Netanyahu told his party activists. He blamed Sharon, who bolted Likud to form Kadima, for leaving behind "a broken and shattered party."
A strong majority of voters turned away from Likud and Labor, the only two parties that have ever ruled Israel, to vote for the new Kadima and fringe parties. Though other attempts to create a strong centrist party in Israel have failed, analysts said Sharon's personal popularity gave Kadima its edge.
Two marginal parties posted strong showings.
The pensioners' party appeared to be the surprise protest vote of the election, taking seven seats. The party, headed by former Mossad spymaster Rafi Eitan, who oversaw a sensational espionage operation against the U.S. in the 1980s, was not represented in the last parliament. Kadima said the party was a natural coalition partner for Olmert.
The Shas party was projected to get 13 seats.
Elections officials said that even after 100 percent of the polling stations are accounted for, they would still have to count the votes of soldiers and Israelis who voted in locations other than their home stations, like invalids and election workers — so the total vote count would not be completed until Friday.
The record low voter turnout, 63.2 percent, was attributed partly to Kadima's dominance during the campaign. But the apathy was also a reflection of Israelis' disillusionment with rampant government corruption and veteran politicians' switching parties, which many saw as purely opportunistic.
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Israel is getting weak.Talks of giving land to palestine is stupid not 1 of these deals has worked & none ever will.
Half of Jerusalem will fall soon ( the hands of hams & iran).It maybe over the temple mount as Hamas wants that & so does Isreal.
their will be major fighting their soon possibley this year.Once this issues starts burning watch for israel to turn to the european union, for help the worst thing they could do.
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davejeni wrote:
Israel is getting weak.Talks of giving land to palestine is stupid not 1 of these deals has worked & none ever will. Half of Jerusalem will fall soon ( the hands of hams & iran).It maybe over the temple mount as Hamas wants that & so does Isreal. their will be major fighting their soon possibley this year.Once this issues starts burning watch for israel to turn to the european union, for help the worst thing they could do.
The leader of the Shas Party says anyone who doesn't vote for Shas will go to hell. The voters defied this destiny, of a hellbound future, and voted with other parties anyway. This isn't weakness. It takes strength to stare at the threat of hell and say up yours, I'll do what I feel like. Considering it's a nation of Jews, that's a fuckload of strength.
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Hinny wrote:
davejeni wrote:
Israel is getting weak.Talks of giving land to palestine is stupid not 1 of these deals has worked & none ever will. Half of Jerusalem will fall soon ( the hands of hams & iran).It maybe over the temple mount as Hamas wants that & so does Isreal. their will be major fighting their soon possibley this year.Once this issues starts burning watch for israel to turn to the european union, for help the worst thing they could do.
The leader of the Shas Party says anyone who doesn't vote for Shas will go to hell. The voters defied this destiny, of a hellbound future, and voted with other parties anyway. This isn't weakness. It takes strength to stare at the threat of hell and say up yours, I'll do what I feel like. Considering it's a nation of Jews, that's a fuckload of strength.
This is because, when push comes to shove, most people don't believe in this God shit anymore.
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If Soundgarden is perfectly fine with playing together with Tad Doyle on vocals, why the fuck is he wasting his life promoting the single worst album of all time? Holy shit, he has to be the stupidest motherfucker on earth.
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shades-go-down wrote:
Hinny wrote:
davejeni wrote:
Israel is getting weak.Talks of giving land to palestine is stupid not 1 of these deals has worked & none ever will. Half of Jerusalem will fall soon ( the hands of hams & iran).It maybe over the temple mount as Hamas wants that & so does Isreal. their will be major fighting their soon possibley this year.Once this issues starts burning watch for israel to turn to the european union, for help the worst thing they could do.
The leader of the Shas Party says anyone who doesn't vote for Shas will go to hell. The voters defied this destiny, of a hellbound future, and voted with other parties anyway. This isn't weakness. It takes strength to stare at the threat of hell and say up yours, I'll do what I feel like. Considering it's a nation of Jews, that's a fuckload of strength.
This is because, when push comes to shove, most people don't believe in this God shit anymore.
JERUSALEM – Global civilization is on the verge of "World War III," a massive conflict in which the Islamic world will attempt to impose its ideology on Western nations, according to Meir Amit, a former director of Israel's Mossad intelligence agency.
Amit, one of the most esteemed figures in the international defense establishment, warned Islamic nations and global Islamist groups will continue launching "all kinds of attacks" against Western states. He urged the international community to immediately unite and coordinate a strategy to fight against the "Islamic war."
"We are on the eve of war with the Islamic world, which will wage a war and all kinds of actions and attacks against the Western world. We already noticed the terrorists in the world hit Spain, England, France. I call it World War III. You must look at it from this angle and treat it wider, not as a problem of terrorism here and there," said Amit, speaking during an exclusive interview with WND's Aaron Klein and ABC Radio's John Batchelor broadcast on Batchelor's national program, for which Klein serves as a co-host. (Listen to the Amit interview.)
Amit served as Mossad chief from 1963 to 1968. He directed some of the most notorious Mossad operations during that time and pioneered many of the tactics currently used by intelligence agencies worldwide. The subject of multiple books and movies, Amit is routinely described as a "living legend." Now in his mid-80s, Amit serves as chairman of Israel's Center for Special Studies.
The former intelligence chief referenced recent terror attacks against Israel, Europe and the United States; Iran's alleged nuclear ambitions; the insurgency in Iraq and Afghanistan; and worldwide Muslim riots.
"It looks to me like it is a kind of coordinated or contemplated problem to somehow impose the Islamic idea all over the world," Amit said.
Israel is routinely attacked by Palestinian terror groups. Since December 2000, 993 Israelis have been killed. Spain in March 2004 was struck by a series of coordinated bombings on its commuter train system, killing 192 people. London was rocked last July by bombings on its transportation system. France has been the scene of violent Muslim riots and attacks. And on Sept. 11, 2001, 2,986 people were killed when the U.S. was hit with coordinated terror attacks.
Violent Muslim riots erupted last month in the West Bank, Syria and Lebanon after cartoon images of Muhammad were printed in a Danish newspaper. The riots spread across the Middle East and throughout Europe.
At least 40 people were killed yesterday in a blast north of Mosul in Iraq. Iran and Syria have been accused of aiding the insurgency there and in Afghanistan against U.S. and European troops.
Amit urged Western nations to "unite and work together. Unfortunately, the world is not uniting. China and Russia are problems. This should be taken into consideration."
Both China and Russia have been aiding Iran's nuclear program, which Tehran claims is intended for peaceful purposes only. Russia last month received a delegation of Hamas leaders, and pledged to maintain diplomatic relations with the terror group in spite of efforts by the U.S. and Israel to isolate the newly elected Hamas-led Palestinian government.
Amit said Iran currently poses the most serious threat to the international community.
"The Iranians [are] financing terrorists in Israel and sending money," Amit said. "This is [my country's] immediate problem. But I think the most serious problem is Iran developing nuclear power."
Amit said Israel should not lead a military attack against Iran's suspected nuclear facilities, instead urging support for the course of diplomacy and sanctions.
"The problem of [Iranian] nuclear armaments is not an Israeli problem; it is a worldwide problem. Your question refers to what Israel can do. It shouldn't do anything by itself. It should maybe throw the idea that this is a world problem and all the Western world should unite, join hands and work together," said Amit.
"I am not sure whether a military operation would be the best solution. At least not the first solution. But you can put sanctions on Iran."
With regard to his warnings of a new world war, Amit clarified he was not advocating the international community take measures against all Arab countries:
"I know very well the Arab world. I have many friends in Arab world leaders. Not all of them think the same. They are also split in different groups. ... Although I think they will wage an Islamic war against the Western world, we must take into account they are not one piece. Somehow we must learn the differences between different sections and parts of the Arab world."
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davejeni wrote:
read this prophecy i know you wont believe it but it s god word so make your own mind up , this prophecy works from the end result to the beginning where half the city will be besieged (taken by palestine & iran).the middle part about the houses & women ravished is talking about Germany
How is God's word exactly? The Bible is only the selected works of some of the foremost Chistian scholars of the day. All the books of the bible were personally selected by the early Catholic church as they fit into their doctrine, theye were not written by god but by man. So how is it God's word exactly?
davejeni wrote:
please read daniel 11.40 where it talks abot the king of the south IRAN pushing at the king of the north GERMAN LED EU,The EU will go through it like blitz fair & it will destroy many COUNTRIES & TAKE SLAVES USA,BRITAIN,AUSTRALIA & MANY COMMONWEALTH COUNTRIES but tidings out of the east shall worry them The EAST IS RUSSIA CHINA & OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE JAPAN INDIA IT SAY IN RELEVATION THEY WILL COMPILE AN ARMY OF 200 MILLION IT DONT TAKE ROCKET SCIENCE TO SEE ONLY CHINA & RUSSIA CAN MAKE TESE NUMBERS.
GERMAN LED EU will attack the east RUSSIA & CHINA but they will return fire & nearly destroy the EU it they will THEN reassemble there armies in meggedio & christ will bring them down to Jerusalem where they will join & fight christ , (Its says these armies will have blood up to thir horses bridles Christ is talking to man the only way they know)& christ will be victorious
Seeing as the bible was written by man not by your God and is therefore fallable, don't you have the teeniest idea that you may well be clutching at straws quoting scripture?
Please, we've seen your wierd, rambling posts in other threads prophesising that the evil Germans are gonna take over the world or some shit. No-one agreed with it then, and repeating the same statements just re-emphisises how thin your argument really is.
Posting dubious pleading articles from Extreme right-wing politicans with a vested interest in seeing a war does not backup your argument.
Face it, I think the German's have had quite enough of war, don't you.
Anyway, back on topic.
Any sign of a middle ground in the middle-east's political climate is good news. I do think that once the honeymoon period is over for Hamas and they actually realise what running a good government means, they'll be more willing to listen to what Isreal has to say. And if that Israeli voice is from a more moderate voice then that can only be good.
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To Davejeni: I think that everyone that frequents N&D is well aware of your position on Israel, Germany, and Iran. Unless of course you have new information to share, at this point you seem to merely be aggravating Hinny and others.
To Hinny and others: we know that you take great issue with Davejeni's opinion, but again, since this has been reiterated so many times nothing is being accomplihsed by continually rehashing your previous statements on this matter. Can we get back to the topic at hand, and maybe contribute something that we haven't all heard before?
How is God's word exactly? The Bible is only the selected works of some of the foremost Chistian scholars of the day. All the books of the bible were personally selected by the early Catholic church as they fit into their doctrine, theye were not written by god but by man. So how is it God's word exactly?
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Dude, you REALLY have to stop reading WorldNetDaily. Those people are completely fucking insane and detached from reality. Watch FOX News or something and get some balanced opinions.
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davejeni wrote:
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How is God's word exactly? The Bible is only the selected works of some of the foremost Chistian scholars of the day. All the books of the bible were personally selected by the early Catholic church as they fit into their doctrine, theye were not written by god but by man. So how is it God's word exactly?
they were inspired by god say the bible.
So? Pearl Jam inspire me to play the guitar and write music, that doesn't mean that my songs belong to Pearl Jam.
Dude, you REALLY have to stop reading WorldNetDaily. Those people are completely fucking insane and detached from reality. Watch FOX News or something and get some balanced opinions.
i thought that article was dead on the mark speaking the truth but it seems this world dont see it that way.
I have difficulty believing Palestine will accept the "final borders" of Israel. They may prove me wrong, I hope they do, but I think their national identity is to tied up with victimhood at this point. Or maybe they will knowing that Islamic birthrates will allow for a peaceful conquering of any democratic nation, for exmaple Israel. Or Germany.
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broken_iris wrote:
Or maybe they will knowing that Islamic birthrates will allow for a peaceful conquering of any democratic nation, for exmaple Israel. Or Germany.
Which is why Yisrael Beitenu managed to secure 12 seats, 1 more than Likud, on the back of their left-field plan to give up the Arab-dominated territories inside of the 1967 borders, and holding onto those large settlements in places outside of the 1967 border.
Looks like forming a government will be a problem. Kadima neoliberals don't want Labour to control the finance ministry, and Labour won't go in coalition with the Yisrael Beitenu racists.
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punkdavid wrote:
broken_iris wrote:
Or maybe they will knowing that Islamic birthrates will allow for a peaceful conquering of any democratic nation, for exmaple Israel. Or Germany.
If the world would just ban marrying one's first cousins, this problem would be solved.
Too ambitious. Let's start with one's siblings and take it from there.
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If Soundgarden is perfectly fine with playing together with Tad Doyle on vocals, why the fuck is he wasting his life promoting the single worst album of all time? Holy shit, he has to be the stupidest motherfucker on earth.
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