read this prophecy i know you wont believe it but it s god word so make your own mind up , this prophecy works from the end result to the beginning where half the city will be besieged (taken by palestine & iran).the middle part about the houses & women ravished is talking about Germany



please read daniel 11.40 where it talks abot the king of the south IRAN pushing at the king of the north GERMAN LED EU,The EU will go through it like blitz fair & it will destroy many COUNTRIES & TAKE SLAVES USA,BRITAIN,AUSTRALIA & MANY COMMONWEALTH COUNTRIES but tidings out of the east shall worry them The EAST IS RUSSIA CHINA & OTHER COUNTRIES LIKE JAPAN INDIA IT SAY IN RELEVATION THEY WILL COMPILE AN ARMY OF 200 MILLION IT DONT TAKE ROCKET SCIENCE TO SEE ONLY CHINA & RUSSIA CAN MAKE TESE NUMBERS.

GERMAN LED EU will attack the east RUSSIA & CHINA but they will return fire & nearly destroy the EU it they will THEN reassemble there armies in meggedio & christ will bring them down to Jerusalem where they will join & fight christ , (Its says these armies will have blood up to thir horses bridles Christ is talking to man the only way they know)& christ will be victorious

zachariah 14.2 this prophecy is

For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city will be taken, the houses rifled, and the women ravished. Half of the city will go out into captivity, and the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city.

they said germany wouldnt rise after ww1 .They did rise in ww2 why no one believed Churchill they will do it again.it will be a german led EU this time. ( keep an eye on Edward Stoiber an evil man will take control of Germany he will gain power through deciet, lies & flatteries.

your insane if you think hamas want peace their backed by Iran & they have both admitted they want Israel wiped off the map.& Israel are fools if they believe it to.Memebrs of the cabinet of hamas killed israel civillians they dont want peace they want the land.They will never get peace

I think I'm reconsidering Davejeni's position. There's a German exchange student from Munich who's in my speech class. We were talking and he told me that he fulfilled the compulsory military service prior to college, and that he joined the infantry because he thought it would be fun to run around in the mountains and whatnot. Perhaps this is evidence of a more general trend of the supressed aggression and militaristic spirit of German males. They, unlike say Great Britain or the US, haven't had a good fight in over 60 years. How can they have any national honor unless they beat the living crap out of some other country every once in a while? Although proved their masculinity and proficiency during both of the World Wars, the generation that saw that whole thing go down and lived during the height of German nationalism is dying off. In ten or twenty years there will be almost no one left from that generation, which may have significant consequences. (And this is not said entirely in jest)

Even if it doesn't lead to military aggression, at some point the German people are going to decide that they've had enough of being meek little second class Germany. Why should France play such a large part in the EU when Germany has a larger, more productive population and leads the region in finance and business. Maybe my perception is off on this, but they don't seem to be taking as much initiative in world events as their potential power merits. After all, France merits a permanent UN security council seat yet Germany does not. In the aftermath of World War two it made sense, but it doesn't today. Of course the same can be said of India and some other countries but they are definitely striving towards more international leadership.

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he is an interesting article on the changing face of german youth

Germany | 17.03.2006
"The Bomber Jackets Have Become Unnecessary"
Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Shaved heads are no longer the identifying sign of the right-wing scene
In a conversation with DW-WORLD, Matthias Adrian discussed how skinheads are changing their image and how increasing numbers of youth, even those without far-right philosophies, are attending right-wing concerts.

According to Germany's Office for the Protection of the Constitution, throngs of youth people are still joining the German neo-Nazi scene. Matthias Adrian was a member of the far-right NPD party's youth organization from 1997 to 2000 and organized neo-Nazi marches in Hesse. Today, he is involved in the Berlin-based EXIT initiative, which helps people leave the right-wing scene.



DW-WORLD: How would you say the appearance of far-right youth is changing? It appears that many are slowly distancing themselves from the old image of shaved heads and combat boots in order to find new supporters.



Matthias Adrian: It's very clear to us that the image is changing from that of the skinhead subculture to that of "completely normal" everyday life. In the 90s, when the word "skinhead" became a pseudonym for right-wing extremist, the far-right was pursuing a strategy of setting up "nationally liberated zones" in the eastern federal states, which were considered far-right strongholds. These had to be controlled through violence and by suppressing other youth subcultures. For that, they needed strong young men in bomber jackets.



But today across large swaths of the eastern states, for example in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, especially in the countryside, these "opponents" simply aren't there anymore. So the bomber jackets have become unnecessary. Now they're cultivating another image, that of the "nice Nazi next door," who might be a right-winger, but who also helps old people cross the street.



And this is supposed to help them find new supporters?


Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Matthias Adrian

In eastern Germany, it's hardly necessary anymore to seek out supporters. In Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania, it's become completely acceptable to have a far-right orientation, or at least to see right-wing extremism as a very normal political standpoint. There has been a real change in this respect. Being a right-wing extremist is no longer a reason to be ostracized by society. It's seen as a completely normal political opinion, just like any other.



Is right-wing extremism still concentrated largely in the eastern states?



Unfortunately, these structures are clearly recognizable in the west as well. Of course, not in the magnitude that they are in the east, but in Hesse, where I come from, a neo-Nazi framework has been firmly established across the region.



In most of the wine-growing villages with populations from five to seven thousand, there may only be two or three far-right youths. But when they get together at a wine festival in the region, then you have about 80 young people in one place who are prepared to use violence. It can be difficult for other young people, who don't adhere to the right-wing dress code or are of foreign origin, to get through the mob.



So it could be problematic if a lot of far-right youths in the west decided to band together?



The networks are, in any case, definitely there and are expanding. In the Rhine Valley region in the last few years we've seen the development of something remarkable. The concentration of new right-wing groups here is approaching levels we see in the east. If these groups spread out, there could be a serious conflagration in the region. I also find it horrible that this problem is hardly recognized by the public. Sometimes I feel like I'm a lonely voice in the wilderness.



Couldn't it also be the case that the inhibitions that young people who are not part of the right-wing crowd used to have about attending right-wing concerts have fallen?



Yes, of course. If I as a "normal" young person am afraid to go to that kind of concert, that clearly hurts the image of the far-right movement. It's only through this subculture and this music that right-wing groups can reach young people, which is also the reason why these concerts are put on in the first place. If young people no longer have to be afraid to go to the concert, you can reach more of them than you could through violent behavior.



Can the development of this far-right image transformation be explained on the basis of the developments in the far-right music scene?



Yes, for example, look at the so-called "schoolyard CD." The idea came out of the far-right scene, where music groups which support the NPD released a CD. But the songs were so openly Nazi and glorified violence so much that they were confiscated. So the NPD released a new CD, which had pretty harmless song titles on it. Only one song, "The Skin of One's Teeth," was categorized as dangerous to youth. Then the NPD put out a second CD, which was legally watertight, since it only had songs on it which had already been released and were not on any government watch list.



Despite that, many teachers took the CDs away from students. One student even pressed charges against a teacher, and he was actually convicted of theft. Because the student was a member of the youth wing of the NPD, he had all the power of the party supporting him, including several lawyers who are NPD members. The trial didn't cost him a cent.



So the right-wing parties are interacting with the larger society in different ways today than they did several years ago?



The right-wing scene has decided to pursue a legal path these days. Just recently in Berlin there was a test case conducted regarding demonstration rights for the NPD. The judge rejected the motion on grounds of a lack of police presence, but still the NPD advocated being able to safeguard its legal rights to demonstrate and to assemble. How can you argue against that?



The NPD is trying its best to play by the rules. We can only try to prevent the scope from expanding, for example, regarding the (annual) Rudolf Hess demonstrations and Nazi symbols. One could still do quite a lot in this area, but that would just lead to the far-right keeping even closer to the rules. In a few years, the scene will be to the point where they always make their projects legally watertight from the very beginning. Then there will be little that the courts can do to fight them.



Mirja Annawald interviewed Matthias Adrian (jam)

and another one

Europe | 04.03.2006
Right-Wing Extremism in Poland Gathers Momentum
Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Catholic conservative Kaczynski has swung Poland to the right
After the victory of the National Conservatives in last year's elections, right-wing extremist groupings in Poland are gaining influence -- as illustrated by a recent attack on a gay and lesbian demonstration.

Jacek Purski was shocked to discover his photograph on the Internet page of Poland's right-wing extremist group "Blood & Honor." Purski works for the Polish civil rights organization "Nigdy Wecej," and while examining the Web sites of neo-fascist organizations, he hit on a "list of enemies" of Polish right-wing radicals.



"I'm on the list, because our organization's work is apparently very effective and has been ruffling racist feathers," he said. "Of course I'm not pleased to be on the list because those are my data and that's my photo, and naturally it concerns me. But it doesn't scare me -- even though that's exactly what they want."



A serious threat




Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Skinheads
Polish neo-fascists are primarily youths aged between 20 and 30. They're well-organized and violent, and headed-up by intellectuals who publish their right-wing extremist theories in insider magazines or on relevant websites.



According to Polish writer and journalist Adam Szostkiewicz, black lists like the one published by "Blood and Honor" should certainly not be taken lightly.



"By denouncing someone, they are encouraging people to fight, and that's an act of substitute aggression," he said. "Today it's no longer acceptable to directly attack people physically so they provide a pretext for it."



Moreover, Polish right-wing extremists can exert -- at least through the back door -- more and more political influence. Militant organizations such as "Blood & Honor" and "Combat 18" cooperate with right-wing extremist parties like the "National Rebirth of Poland" and the "Polish National Party."



"All Polish Youth," a junior organization of the arch-conservative party "League of Polish Families," which tolerates the minority cabinet of Prime Minister Marcinkiewicz in the Polish parliament, appears meanwhile to be just as dangerous.



"This organization is generally referred to as chauvinistic and one that spreads hate," Purski said. "If we just consider the fact that members of this organization who today sit in the Polish parliament have saluted with 'Heil Hitler,' then we have to realize that we're dealing with a very dangerous phenomenon."



Homophobia




Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Lech Kaczynski supporters
The election victory of the Polish National Conservatives has also provided fresh impetus for the right-wing extremist groups. Recently, the police turned a blind eye when a gang of thugs belonging to the "All Polish Youth" set upon a demonstration of gays and lesbians in the city of Poznan.



In Warsaw, meanwhile, the right-wing demonstrators disrupting a Christopher Street Day parade were known to have close ties with then Mayor and current State President Lech Kaczynski.



In such a social climate, the Polish right-wing extremists' black list is probably just the tip of an iceberg. Apparently, the arch-conservative Catholic Radio Maryja, which -- contrary to all ecclesiastical norms intervened on behalf of the Kaczynski twins in the election campaign -- also intends to publish a list of left-wing and liberal enemies of the government.



Tadeusz Rydzkyk, who founded Radio Maryja in 1991, is no stranger to this form of witch-hunt. Ten years ago, Rydzyk's associates were believed to have issued a blacklist of Polish Jews.

and another one

German Music Concert Cancelled Under Pressure from Right
Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Right-wing radicals are taking the fight to local municipality level
The eastern German town of Halberstadt buckled under pressure from the extreme right and called off a concert by Konstantin Wecker. Politicians have expressed dismay over the influence of neo-Nazis in the former East.

A concert planned for March 8 in the former eastern German border town of Halberstadt was cancelled at the last minute after the right-wing National Democratic Party (NPD) applied pressure to local authorities. The extremist party had claimed the event scheduled for performance in a school and held under the motto "Nazis get out of our town" was in fact an unacceptable form of political campaigning for left-wing parties ahead of state elections on March 26.



The NPD threatened to buy up all the tickets and turn out in large numbers at the concert orchestrated by political songwriter Konstantin Wecker if local authorities refused to call it off. They had begun mobilizing forces in other eastern German cities to protest the concert and what they regarded as a clear state-sponsored preference for leftist parties.



Fearing a major conflict with neo-Nazis descending upon Halberstadt, deputy county commissioner Hans-Dieter Sturm decided to cancel Wednesday's performance. He justified the decision by saying that if the concert had taken place, there would be little room for preventing a similar performance by right-wing extremists in the future.




Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Konstantin Wecker has never been one to shy away from political topicsThe 59-year-old songwriter appeared instead in front of 300 fans in the nearby town of Jena. He vowed to return to Halberstadt in the summer for an open air concert. "One shouldn't give in to the NPD, that would be disappointing," he told the online edition of news magazine Der Spiegel. "I haven't given up on Halberstadt."



Politicians criticize local authorities



Klaus Jeziorsky, interior minister for the state of Saxony-Anhalt, where Halberstadt is located, said buckling in under pressure from the NPD was in no way justifiable. "One cannot give in to threats by right-wing extremists," he said on Thursday.



For Niels Annen, the head of a Social Democratic project against right-wing extremism, the cancellation of the concert was a two-fold scandal. "On the one hand, the NPD has publicly threatened a democratic group with violence and on the other hand, they were successful and got what they wanted."



This sends the completely wrong message and in a sense confirms the NPD's strategy to create so-called "fear zones" where the extreme right wields influence, Annen told the German news program Tagesschau.



The head of the Greens' parliamentary fraction, Volker Beck, criticized the town's decision and said "the Nazis should not be given any social space and by no means should we give in to their threats."



The Central Council for Jews in Germany called the decision by Halberstadt authorities a "politically bankrupt."



Combating right-wing violence




Bildunterschrift: Großansicht des Bildes mit der Bildunterschrift: Supporters of the NPD during a demonstration of neo-nazis in Schwerin, northeastern Germany
But Halberstadt is not unique. Observers of the right-wing scene in Germany have noticed an increase in activity recently, especially in terms of gaining influence through threats of violence. Ulla Jelpke, spokeswoman for interior affairs in the Left Party, told Tagesschau that such events as in Halberstadt "unfortunately are becoming more common."



She criticized the federal government for not doing enough to prevent the spread of right-wing radicalism, saying the federal parliament needs to address right-wing activity as a serious threat in Germany.



Both the Social Democrats and the Greens have presented proposals for fighting right-wing extremism and racial hatred. It's up to the government now to finance the projects. "We need to continue with our work, and we are discussing the topic in depth with the Christian Democratic Union," Annen said.

Best thread-jack of the day.

i know people think i am mad but Germany are a threat to Americans australians, israelis & canadians & commonwealth countries.
America think China are their big threat its Germany, china will hurt hurt American finanially with trade deals but Germany is the ones that will attack those above mentioned countries.
Germany will launch a nuclear attack on these countries once it has defeated Iran.(that aint to far away)
It looks like the $US dollar will soon collaspe,& we are seeing many investors put their money in the euro which will give Europe a huge surge of power. Once th US dollar collapes The euro is going to surge like a rocket which will bring Germanty back to superpower days.
Europe doesnt relise how much power they have but they soon will ,Islam is joinng europe together.These protests & violence is uniting europe.

SIMPLE SCHOOLBOY germany is anncient Assryia they have a history of peaks & valleys (fighting with blood & hatred & peace)like ww1 ,then they went peaceful then hitler came & so did the blood & evil , then peace & soon blood & hatred again once an evil man takes control of Germany possbley Edward Stoiber & the catholic church)
The Germans are brutal fighters men of war as the bible says.Very very crual & brutal.

Those articles show a change in german youth now i am not saying a nazi like program will takeover but i believe a leader that appeals to these youth & is strongly opposed to islam will.That is why i believe Edward Stoiber should be watched, he is very close to pope benedict who is also german who knows islam is a threat in europe.The bible says a chuch & leader will take control of Europe & these 2 fit the bill perfect both from the state of bravria both strong catholics & bothe anti islam & strongly oppose immigration.

How does this involve Jerusalem & Israel well the catholic church wants Jerusalem & so does iran & hamas.Soon Hamas backed Iran will take half of that city,as we know israel dont have many allies in the middle east will look to Germany for help.

We see the standoff with Iran over nuclear activities watch this real close it says iran will get under Germanys skin this issue & jerusalem besieged will get germanys blood boiling.
Laugh all you like their going to lead this world into ww3 they want a 3rd shot at america & britain so does the youth & their going to get it & win this time.before Jesus saves mankind

I am quite proud of myself for having started it. =D

I'm gonna be merging any derails to this thread.

I'm gonna post this thread on wood shims in my lawn!

I'm about to start an international incident.

Here's me drunk off my ass @3am riding the fish statue in Munich.



Please forgive America! I acted alone.

a intersting litle piece on stoiber taken from the web

In Germany, Merkel’s conservative coalition partner and leadership competitor, Edmund Stoiber, is already turning up the heat on his conservative rival. Sensing that Germany’s endemic structural economic problems are about to become headline news once again, Stoiber is indicating that he is quite prepared to make political life very uncomfortable for Merkel. This week he directly involved himself in the arena where Merkel has shone, that of foreign policy. Speaking unilaterally, stepping aside from any public sense of unity with Merkel on the issue, he stridently called for the EU to refuse any prospect of closer alliance with Turkey.

Added to this, Merkel’s vice chancellor, Franz Müntefering, deliberately went against Merkel by publicly withdrawing his support for some of her more significant planned economic reforms. As Stratfor opined, “His statements represent a serious blow to Chancellor Angela Merkel and could cause a fracturing of the German government. … Müntefering went so far as to say that … ‘step by step, the coalition agreement is being split.' … There is no doubt … that Müntefering has dealt Merkel a terrible blow by sidelining the labor reform legislation” (ibid.).

If Merkel fails to rise to the occasion, as Schröder did, finding herself unable to sell needed reforms to German labor, she may well lose her popular support in Germany overnight.

Put simply, Europe’s early spring of discontent could spark a rash of rolling social unrest that contributes to the weakening or even fall of both the French and German leadership, thus paving the way for that which Stratfor describes as “a fundamental shift in the government.”

Should such a fundamental shift occur, it could translate Europe’s current wave of economic nationalism quite readily into national socialism!


I reckon Stiober will get the German chancellor through lies & deceit & flatteries not the honourable way.
He wont allow Turkey in because they are muslims, his policies relate to that of the vast majority.

I love this thread already. I miss davenjeni's facts about the upcoming Germany-Iran war and the slow takeover of the world's energy supplies by Germany.

Davejeni is a psychiatrists dream...

http://www.destatis.de/presse/englisch/ ... 300022.htm

In 2050 every 3rd person will be 60 or older in Germany

WIESBADEN – The quantitative relation between older and younger people will change considerably in Germany in the next few decades. As envisaged by the most recent co-ordinated population projection of the Federal Statistical Office, half of the population will be aged over 48 and one third be 60 or older in 2050. Besides, the number of inhabitants in Germany will decline in the long term despite the assumed rates of immigration from abroad. This was reported by the President of the Federal Statistical Office Johann Hahlen in Berlin today when he presented the results of the Office's 10th co-ordinated population projection until the year 2050.

Today, Germany has about 82.5 million inhabitants. In accordance with the "middle variant" of the population projection which the following results are based on, the population figures will – after a small increase to 83 million – decline from 2013 down to the 1963 level (slightly more than 75 million) by the year 2050. The "middle variant" is based on the following assumptions: constant birth rate of an average 1.4 children per woman, increase in the life expectancy of a new-born boy to 81.1 years and of a new-born girl to 86.6 years by 2050, and an annual net immigration of about 200,000 persons.

The future long-term decline in Germany's population is due to the fact that, like in the past 30 years, more people will die than be born in the next five decades as well. Because of the assumed continuation of the low level of births in Germany, today's annual birth rate of about 730,000 will shrink to approximately 560,000 by the year 2050. It will then amount to not more than half the number of annual deaths, consequently, the "deficit of births" will total about 580,000 (2001: 94,000).

The low level of births will lead to a situation where the younger age cohorts (approximately up to the 50th year of age) will generally show a smaller occupancy rate than the older age cohorts. While today, the number of people who are younger than 20 amounts to 17 million (21% of the population), it will fall to 12 million (16%) in 2050. The group of persons aged 60 and over will be more than twice as big (28 million, 37%). Besides, 9.1 million people , i.e. 12% of the population (2001: 3.2 million, 3.9%), will be 80 years or older in 2050

The so-called old-age ratio shows the expected shifts in the age structure in a particularly clear manner. In 2001, the ratio was 44 for an actual average retirement age of 60 years, i.e. the ratio was 100 persons at working age (between 20 and 59 years) to 44 persons at retirement age (60 years and over). In accordance with the "middle variant" of the projection, the old-age ratio will rise to 78 by 2050. If people retired at an age of 65 instead of 60, the old-age ratio would be by far lower. The ratio expected for the year 2050 would then be 55 instead of 78 for the retirement age of 60.

Ageing of the German population will cause problems not only in 50 years' time. It will pose a challenge as early as in the next two decades. The old-age ratio shows a critical acceleration of ageing between 2010 and 2030. Between 2001 and 2010, the old-age ratio will climb "only" from 44 to 46 for the retirement age of 60 years, while afterwards it will considerably rise to 55 by 2020 and actually jump to 71 by 2030. The subsequent rise will no longer be as strong (2040: 73 and 2050: 78). Even if the actual retirement age were changed to 65 years, the old-age ratio would nevertheless jump sharply between 2020 and 2030. During those ten years, it would rise from 36 to 47, i.e. at least twice as fast as in the previous decades. Especially around the year 2020, the age structure of the population at working age – i.e. between 20 and 64 years in accordance with the age ratio for retirement at 65 – will be dominated by the older generation (between 50 and 64 years). That age group, then including a total of 19.5 million people, will account for not less than 39% of the labour force potential in 2020. For the time being, the generation of the 35 to 49 year-olds is the largest (20 million, 38%) whose size will however shrink to 16 million by 2020.


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See? By the time Germany poses a real threat they will all be too old to fight.

I'm not too sure about your assesment. Old people can be fiesty. It would be fairly easy to rile them up, such as claiming that the Jews will take away their pensions unless they go to war with Luxembourg. I think that with enough plotting someone might just be able to pull it off.

Davejeni must really, really hate David Hasselhoff.