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PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2004 6:17 pm 
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Study finds pot use has doubled, but researchers more worried about booze

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November 25, 2004 OTTAWA (CP) - The number of Canadians who say they have used cannabis or injectable drugs in the past year has doubled in a decade, according to a major new survey.

But addiction specialists still see alcohol abuse as the greater problem. Data from the Canada Addiction Survey, the most comprehensive addictions survey ever done in Canada, present a disturbing picture of a society increasingly dependent on mood-altering substances.

Fourteen per cent of respondents said they had used cannabis in the last year, up from 7.4 per cent in 1994. About a third said they had failed to control their cannabis use.

About 269,000 Canadians said they had used an injectable drug in the past year, up from 132,000 in 1994. Nearly 4.1 million Canadians reported using injectable drugs at least once in their life. That's up from 1.7 million in 1994.

The proportion of drinkers rose to 79.3 per cent this year from 72.3 per cent in 1994. Seven per cent of respondents described themselves as frequent heavy drinkers, up from 5.4 per cent in 1994.

Conservative justice critic Vic Toews said rising rates of abuse are an indictment of federal drug policy, including the planned easing of marijuana laws and the establishment of safe injection sites.

"Certainly the Liberal drug strategy is failing," he said. "The safe injection sites aren't safe. There's more deaths in Vancouver than before the safe injection sites were put in place.

"I am concerned about the decriminalization of marijuana or any other drug. I am concerned that the government has not put forward a national strategy to deal with the whole issue of addictions."

Health Minister Ujjal Dosanjh rejected suggestions that the plan to decriminalize possession of small quantities of marijuana is leading to increased use.

"We have the current laws in place at this time, they haven't been changed and the rate is going up, so obviously we're obviously not doing something right. I would focus on the drug strategy, which is the issue of education."

Public Safety Minister Anne McLellan said the government is not legalizing marijuana, and considers it a health threat. "All we're doing is changing the penalty regime."

Researchers who conducted the study said that drug laws appear to be a relatively minor factor in determining drug use, and suggested that a much broader understanding of drug abuse is needed.

"This is both a good news and bad news story," Michel Perron of the Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse told a news conference Wednesday.

"Despite the fact that most Canadians drink in moderation and without harm we are concerned about heavy drinking among youth aged 18 to 24.


"The increasing use of cannabis by Canadian youth is also an area of concern because we know cannabis is not a benign substance."

The reasons for the increasing substance use will become clearer as data are analysed in greater detail, he said.

Robert Hanson of Health Canada said the department is working on a campaign targeted at youth to discourage cannabis and alcohol use.

Ed Adlaf of the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health said alcohol is the greatest concern because it affects the most people. He said about 20 per cent of adults are drinking hazardously.

Adlaf said he is also concerned that 18 per cent of cannabis users are using the drug daily, and about a third say they can't control their use.

Males were more likely than females to have used the drug, and young people had a higher rate of use than older Canadians.

The survey also suggests usage increases with education, rising to 52 per cent for those with post-secondary education from 35 per cent among high school dropouts.

The updated information comes as the federal government moves to decriminalize the possession of small amounts of pot.

The pro-marijuana group NORML Canada says the survey clearly shows that cannabis laws have failed to deter people from using the drug.

The survey was sponsored by Health Canada, the Canadian Executive Council on Addictions and the Canadian Centre on Substance Abuse.

© The Canadian Press 2004

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I don't see that as a surprise. While pot may or may not have an effect on the brain, alcoholism is clearly controlling and has destroyed a countless number of lives.

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I'm a social worker and hold a state certification in substance abuse counseling. I see alcohol as the 'grand daddy' of all the drugs. Alcohol is so damaging to so many. It doesn't only affect the user, but just about everyone they come in contact with.
As for pot, I think it should be legalized. I can find good uses for pot, but none for alcohol or cigarettes, which are legal.
I'm unsure why it doesn't get legalized. I find it hard to believe that anyone in today's society can't see the benefits.
Eventually all the baby boomers will be the old folks and maybe then it will be legalized. Hell, the baby boomers are the old folks...I just wonder what the hold up is?

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I'm a social worker and hold a state certification in substance abuse counseling. I see alcohol as the 'grand daddy' of all the drugs. Alcohol is so damaging to so many. It doesn't only affect the user, but just about everyone they come in contact with.
As for pot, I think it should be legalized. I can find good uses for pot, but none for alcohol or cigarettes, which are legal.
I'm unsure why it doesn't get legalized. I find it hard to believe that anyone in today's society can't see the benefits.
Eventually all the baby boomers will be the old folks and maybe then it will be legalized. Hell, the baby boomers are the old folks...I just wonder what the hold up is?

I've state this before, I think the main reason pot isn't legal is because the government can't control it as easily as alcohol. It's much easier to throw some pot seeds into the ground and grow your own than it is to build a still in your gargage. That which they can't regulate, they won't legalize. And not for nothing but the bar association of NY happens to agree with the idea of legalizing pot.

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Yeah, I think most states should be for the leaglization. I have friends who brew their own beer, But i odn't know of anyone who is growing their own pot.
Who lmows maybe in my lifetime it will become legal. BTW: I'm not even a pot smoker and I think it should be legal. I don't smoke it out of choice, ( I just don't like the buzz), but I still see the benefits.

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is there any research that come to any conclusions regarding the links between pot smoking and depression? i have seen this happen first-hand so i think that regular pot smoking will lead to depression in those that are prone to it.


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is there any research that come to any conclusions regarding the links between pot smoking and depression? i have seen this happen first-hand so i think that regular pot smoking will lead to depression in those that are prone to it.


Please explain what you mean, like, smoking pot can make you depressed? I don't think that's correct.

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asurrrrrpriseleft wrote:
is there any research that come to any conclusions regarding the links between pot smoking and depression? i have seen this happen first-hand so i think that regular pot smoking will lead to depression in those that are prone to it.


Please explain what you mean, like, smoking pot can make you depressed? I don't think that's correct.


no that those that have a genetic disposition to depression are more likely to become depressed after regularly smoking pot.


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asurrrrrpriseleft wrote:
is there any research that come to any conclusions regarding the links between pot smoking and depression? i have seen this happen first-hand so i think that regular pot smoking will lead to depression in those that are prone to it.


I haven't seen any research on it myself, but there may be some available if you can search the Pysch journals through EBSCO or another acedemic search engine. Pub Med may also have something along those lines available as well.

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is there any research that come to any conclusions regarding the links between pot smoking and depression? i have seen this happen first-hand so i think that regular pot smoking will lead to depression in those that are prone to it.


I haven't seen any research on it myself, but there may be some available if you can search the Pysch journals through EBSCO or another acedemic search engine. Pub Med may also have something along those lines available as well.


okay i'll take a look, i'm sure someone must have researched this.


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anyone who believes the benefits of smoking the legal stuff or illegal stuff outweight the cons that go with it, deserves whatever comes their way

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I think pot smoking can be controlled by the user. If, for example, they limit it to friday nights they shouldn't have a problem.

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I don't see that as a surprise. While pot may or may not have an effect on the brain, alcoholism is clearly controlling and has destroyed a countless number of lives.

Both are bad put if I had to pick one it'd be pot.


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asurrrrrpriseleft wrote:
is there any research that come to any conclusions regarding the links between pot smoking and depression? i have seen this happen first-hand so i think that regular pot smoking will lead to depression in those that are prone to it.


its to late, like 50% of americans are on prozac, so i dont think pot could do any worse. i truly believe pot could not be as bad as all those pills.


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is there any research that come to any conclusions regarding the links between pot smoking and depression? i have seen this happen first-hand so i think that regular pot smoking will lead to depression in those that are prone to it.


its to late, like 50% of americans are on prozac, so i dont think pot could do any worse. i truly believe pot could not be as bad as all those pills.


how bout treating people's issues instead of simply putting them on anti-depressants? :roll:


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asurrrrrpriseleft wrote:
malice wrote:
asurrrrrpriseleft wrote:
is there any research that come to any conclusions regarding the links between pot smoking and depression? i have seen this happen first-hand so i think that regular pot smoking will lead to depression in those that are prone to it.


Please explain what you mean, like, smoking pot can make you depressed? I don't think that's correct.


no that those that have a genetic disposition to depression are more likely to become depressed after regularly smoking pot.


depression does cause people to smoke pot, but smoking pot doesn't cause depression, or deepen an already existing depression. ok, i'm not a scientist, but i'm just speaking from personal experience and observance.


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Kenny wrote:
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malice wrote:
asurrrrrpriseleft wrote:
is there any research that come to any conclusions regarding the links between pot smoking and depression? i have seen this happen first-hand so i think that regular pot smoking will lead to depression in those that are prone to it.


Please explain what you mean, like, smoking pot can make you depressed? I don't think that's correct.


no that those that have a genetic disposition to depression are more likely to become depressed after regularly smoking pot.


depression does cause people to smoke pot, but smoking pot doesn't cause depression, or deepen an already existing depression. ok, i'm not a scientist, but i'm just speaking from personal experience and observance.


i have seen already mentally disturbed people become regular pot smokers and their problems grow far worse. for most people their problems are fairly limited from pot but for some people it destroys their lives and i've seen this happen in front of me.


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asurrrrrpriseleft wrote:
jacktor wrote:
asurrrrrpriseleft wrote:
is there any research that come to any conclusions regarding the links between pot smoking and depression? i have seen this happen first-hand so i think that regular pot smoking will lead to depression in those that are prone to it.


its to late, like 50% of americans are on prozac, so i dont think pot could do any worse. i truly believe pot could not be as bad as all those pills.


how bout treating people's issues instead of simply putting them on anti-depressants? :roll:


honestly, i think we need to do both.


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Kenny wrote:
asurrrrrpriseleft wrote:
jacktor wrote:
asurrrrrpriseleft wrote:
is there any research that come to any conclusions regarding the links between pot smoking and depression? i have seen this happen first-hand so i think that regular pot smoking will lead to depression in those that are prone to it.


its to late, like 50% of americans are on prozac, so i dont think pot could do any worse. i truly believe pot could not be as bad as all those pills.


how bout treating people's issues instead of simply putting them on anti-depressants? :roll:


honestly, i think we need to do both.


i think drugs often only cover people's problems instead of dealing with the root issues. its too easy to blame chemical imbalances and the like.


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