Post subject: Dear Rummy, Please Resign, Sincerely, The Army
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:56 am
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Rumsfeld Stays, Says Commander-in-Chief By TOM RAUM, Associated Press Writer 40 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - Pulling rank, President Bush on Friday rebuffed recommendations from a growing number of retired generals that he replace Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. "He has my full support," said the commander-in-chief.
Bush said Rumsfeld's stewardship at the Pentagon was crucial for the United States.
"Earlier today, I spoke with Don Rumsfeld about ongoing military operations in the global war on terror," the president said. "I reiterated my strong support for his leadership during this historic and challenging time for our nation."
Bush's strong endorsement, conveyed in a statement released by the White House while Bush was at Camp David, Md., for the weekend, appeared designed to blunt a rising clamor from within the ranks of retired commanders for Rumsfeld's ouster.
Six retired generals have called for Rumsfeld to resign, accusing him of mishandling the Iraq war, ignoring advice of field commanders and having an arrogant management style.
Rumsfeld has rejected all such calls, while noting that Bush had twice turned down his offers to resign.
Meanwhile, in an interview aired Friday on Al-Arabiya television, Rumsfeld said he intended to continue serving.
"The fact that two or three or four retired people have different views, I respect their views," Rumsfeld said. "But obviously if, out of thousands and thousands of admirals and generals, if every time two or three people disagreed we changed the secretary of defense of the United States, it would be like a merry-go-round."
A senior administration official said Bush considered a formal statement was warranted given the "type of voices" engaged in the most recent criticism of Rumsfeld. The official spoke on condition of anonymity in order to more freely elaborate on White House thinking.
Similar statements were not likely to be forthcoming for other officials whose jobs are viewed to be in potential trouble, such as Treasury Secretary John Snow, the official said.
Joshua Bolten took over from retiring Andy Card on Friday as White House chief of staff, and several administration personnel changes were widely anticipated, perhaps as early as next week.
The timing of Bush's statement on Rumsfeld seemed designed to tamp down speculation, particularly in Sunday newspapers and on weekend television news shows, that Rumsfeld might be on his way out.
Bush's statement also appeared directed at criticism from some of the retired generals that Rumsfeld ignored military recommendations from his commanders on missions in Iraq and in the broader war on terrorism.
"I have seen firsthand how Don relies upon our military commanders in the field and at the Pentagon to make decisions about how to best complete these missions," Bush said. "Secretary Rumsfeld's energetic and steady leadership is exactly what is needed at this period.
"He has my full support and deepest appreciation."
One of those calling for Rumsfeld's replacement, retired Gen. John Batiste, earlier Friday called the recent series of critical statements "absolutely coincidental" and said he did not know of any coordinated effort to discredit the defense secretary.
"I have not talked to the other generals," Batiste, interviewed from Rochester, N.Y., said on NBC's "Today" show.
Nevertheless, he said he thinks the clamor for Rumsfeld to step down is "happening for a reason."
Batiste said he retired rather than accept a promotion to lieutenant general because he could not accept Rumsfeld's management style.
Separately, Batiste told interviewers on CBS's "The Early Show," that he had served under a defense Secretary "who didn't understand leadership, who was abusive, who was arrogant, and who didn't build a strong team."
Also calling for Rumsfeld to resign were retired Army Maj. Gen. John Riggs, retired Marine Gen. Anthony Zinni, retired Army Maj. Gen. Charles Swannack, retired Army Maj. Gen. Paul Eaton, and retired Marine Lt. Gen. Gregory Newbold.
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Post subject: Re: Dear Rummy, Please Resign, Sincerely, The Army
Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 5:35 am
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B wrote:
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"The fact that two or three or four retired people have different views, I respect their views," Rumsfeld said. "But obviously if, out of thousands and thousands of admirals and generals, if every time two or three people disagreed we changed the secretary of defense of the United States, it would be like a merry-go-round."
It's amazing how insulated this administration is; it's not like these are random generals asking for change.
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Asking Rummy to resign might give the terrorists the impression that we have small penises. Are you nuts?
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Jammer91 wrote:
If Soundgarden is perfectly fine with playing together with Tad Doyle on vocals, why the fuck is he wasting his life promoting the single worst album of all time? Holy shit, he has to be the stupidest motherfucker on earth.
_________________ cirlces they grow and they swallow people whole half their lives they say goodnight to wives they'll never know got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul and so it goes
_________________ cirlces they grow and they swallow people whole half their lives they say goodnight to wives they'll never know got a mind full of questions and a teacher in my soul and so it goes
Now, these generals are more than entitled to their opinions. But the fact of the matter is that there are not "thousands and thousands" of admirals and generals as Rumsfeld said. You won't get too many complaints from me. I really wish this war would be fought from the commanders on the ground instead of politicians in office.
BUT!
You will never, ever, EVER! Hear the media tell the public opinions from generals that support Rumsfeld. All you will ever see is negativity towards the war and this administration.
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LittleWing wrote:
Now, these generals are more than entitled to their opinions. But the fact of the matter is that there are not "thousands and thousands" of admirals and generals as Rumsfeld said. You won't get too many complaints from me. I really wish this war would be fought from the commanders on the ground instead of politicians in office.
BUT!
You will never, ever, EVER! Hear the media tell the public opinions from generals that support Rumsfeld. All you will ever see is negativity towards the war and this administration.
I was just going to ask about that, I really didn't think we had "thousands and thousands" of admirals and generals but I wasn't sure.
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LittleWing wrote:
Now, these generals are more than entitled to their opinions. But the fact of the matter is that there are not "thousands and thousands" of admirals and generals as Rumsfeld said. You won't get too many complaints from me. I really wish this war would be fought from the commanders on the ground instead of politicians in office.
BUT!
You will never, ever, EVER! Hear the media tell the public opinions from generals that support Rumsfeld. All you will ever see is negativity towards the war and this administration.
You know what? Why don't you cry about it.
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Jammer91 wrote:
If Soundgarden is perfectly fine with playing together with Tad Doyle on vocals, why the fuck is he wasting his life promoting the single worst album of all time? Holy shit, he has to be the stupidest motherfucker on earth.
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LittleWing wrote:
Now, these generals are more than entitled to their opinions. But the fact of the matter is that there are not "thousands and thousands" of admirals and generals as Rumsfeld said. You won't get too many complaints from me. I really wish this war would be fought from the commanders on the ground instead of politicians in office.
Your ability to regurgitate statements by this administration is quite impressive.
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LittleWing wrote:
You will never, ever, EVER! Hear the media tell the public opinions from generals that support Rumsfeld. All you will ever see is negativity towards the war and this administration.
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LittleWing wrote:
Now, these generals are more than entitled to their opinions. But the fact of the matter is that there are not "thousands and thousands" of admirals and generals as Rumsfeld said. You won't get too many complaints from me. I really wish this war would be fought from the commanders on the ground instead of politicians in office.
BUT!
You will never, ever, EVER! Hear the media tell the public opinions from generals that support Rumsfeld. All you will ever see is negativity towards the war and this administration.
I would hope that all Generals and Admirals that are in it for something other than attaining the next rank would resist unnecessary political intervention in the military, and even speak out about it when its prudent to do so. And it would seem that in this war, like in Vietnam that political considerations are usually weighed heavier than strategic considerations on the ground. Perhaps we should just give the military clear objectives and have the commanders determine the best way to reach them.
I'm sorry that I pointed out the obvious and you all got your panties in a bunch.
You know what this is, this like sticking your tongue out when you know it really doesn't matter two shits one way or the other. You guys, and the media, are just so giddy over this. My assertions were simply to point out the blatant media bias surrounding the war. That's all.
And please, stop saying my side "fucked this up." Politicians fucked this up. Please don't go around saying this is all the administrations fault because it's not.
War has turned into politics and it's just and for that, it is a fucking crying shame because it's costing lives on both sides unnecessarily.
But for real, if "my side" was in charge. Things would be a lot a different.
So stop saying that this is "my side." I've come out time and time again and said I support the war effort, and the concept, but I horribly disagree with logistical management of this operation and how politicians have run it instead of the generals on the ground.
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Ma'am, there are 30 women working at this company, we can't go investigating some guy everytime ONE of those women says he groped her, even if you did document your case very well. I mean, seriously, there are 29 women who haven't said anything.
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B wrote:
Ma'am, there are 30 women working at this company, we can't go investigating some guy everytime ONE of those women says he groped her, even if you did document your case very well. I mean, seriously, there are 29 women who haven't said anything.
_________________ No matter how dark the storm gets overhead They say someone's watching from the calm at the edge What about us when we're down here in it? We gotta watch our backs
Ma'am, there are 30 women working at this company, we can't go investigating some guy everytime ONE of those women says he groped her, even if you did document your case very well. I mean, seriously, there are 29 women who haven't said anything.
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LittleWing wrote:
B wrote:
Ma'am, there are 30 women working at this company, we can't go investigating some guy everytime ONE of those women says he groped her, even if you did document your case very well. I mean, seriously, there are 29 women who haven't said anything.
That's an awful metaphor and you know it.
It's perfect.
_________________ "Though some may think there should be a separation between art/music and politics, it should be reinforced that art can be a form of nonviolent protest." - e.v.
Ma'am, there are 30 women working at this company, we can't go investigating some guy everytime ONE of those women says he groped her, even if you did document your case very well. I mean, seriously, there are 29 women who haven't said anything.
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:38 am Posts: 5575 Location: Sydney, NSW
LittleWing wrote:
B wrote:
Ma'am, there are 30 women working at this company, we can't go investigating some guy everytime ONE of those women says he groped her, even if you did document your case very well. I mean, seriously, there are 29 women who haven't said anything.
That's an awful metaphor and you know it.
Dismissing metaphors you don't like as "awful" without explanation would tend to validate it.
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Jammer91 wrote:
If Soundgarden is perfectly fine with playing together with Tad Doyle on vocals, why the fuck is he wasting his life promoting the single worst album of all time? Holy shit, he has to be the stupidest motherfucker on earth.
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