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Jesus Walked on Ice, Study Says

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The New Testament story describes Jesus walking on water in the Sea of Galilee but according to a study led by Florida State University Professor of Oceanography Doron Nof, it's more likely that he walked on an isolated patch of floating ice.


The study points to a rare combination of optimal water and atmospheric conditions for development of a unique, localized freezing phenomenon that Nof and his co-authors call "springs ice."

In what is now northern Israel, such ice could have formed on the cold freshwater surface of the Sea of Galilee -- known as Lake Kinneret by modern-day Israelis -- when already chilly temperatures briefly plummeted during one of the two protracted cold periods between 2,500 and 1,500 years ago.

A frozen patch floating on the surface of the small lake would have been difficult to distinguish from the unfrozen water surrounding it. The unfrozen water was comprised of the plumes resulting from salty springs situated along the lake's western shore in Tabgha -- an area where many archeological findings related to Jesus have been documented.

"As natural scientists, we simply explain that unique freezing processes probably happened in that region only a handful of times during the last 12,000 years," Nof said. "We leave to others the question of whether or not our research explains the biblical account."

It isn't the first time the FSU researcher has offered scientific explanations of watery miracles. As a recognized expert in the field of oceanography and limnology -- the study of freshwater, saline and brackish environments -- Nof made waves worldwide in 1992 with his oceanographic perspective on the parting of the Red Sea.

His latest research appears in the April 2006 Journal of Paleolimnology, a scientific publication that addresses the reconstruction of lake history.

Using paleoceanographic records of the Mediterranean Sea's surface temperatures along with analytical ice and statistical models, Nof and his colleagues focused on the dynamics of a small section of Lake Kinneret comprising about 10,000 square feet near the salty springs that empty into it. Their analysis supports the likelihood that a brief blast of frigid air descended over the lake and dropped to 25 F (-4 C) for at least two days, coinciding with the chill that had already settled in for a century or more and quite possibly encompassed the decades in which Jesus lived.

If these atmospheric conditions existed simultaneously over a lake such as Kinneret, a floating ice patch could develop above the plumes generated by the salty springs.

Such a perfect combination of conditions on the low-latitude Kinneret might well seem miraculous. In the last 120 centuries, Nof calculates the odds as roughly once in 1,000 years. However, during the life of Jesus the prevailing climate may have favored the more frequent formation of springs ice -- about once in 30 to 160 years.

Floating springs ice partially or entirely surrounded by unfrozen water could be virtually impossible for distant observers to discern, particularly if subsequent rains had smoothed its surface; and 2,000 years ago, even those with a better view might not have recognized a natural phenomenon so rare in their corner of the world.

"In today's climate, the chance of springs ice forming in northern Israel is effectively zero, or about once in more than 10,000 years," Nof added.

Among numerous honors throughout his career, Nof won the prestigious Nansen Medal from the European Geosciences Union in 2005. He is FSU's Distinguished Fridtjof Nansen Professor of Physical Oceanography and a member of its Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Institute.

In addition to Nof, the co-authors of "Is There A Paleolimnological Explanation for 'Walking on Water' in the Sea of Galilee?" are Professor Ian McKeague (Columbia University biostatistics department and formerly of FSU's department of statistics) and Professor Nathan Paldor (Hebrew University of Jerusalem, department of atmospheric science).

Source: Florida State University, By Libby Fairhurst



I find this extremely funny for some reason. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Whatever, Jesus wore sandals. His feet would freeze.

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Whatever, Jesus wore sandals. His feet would freeze.


he was crazy like that.

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It's funny how it's 2006 and people are still having a debate about whether or not some guy defied the laws of the physics 2000 years ago. Oh yeah, he apparently defied the laws of biology as well... I guess he was a lawless dude.


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Why are people studying this? The bible was a work of fiction. I don't see people analysing the metalurgy of the ring out of Lord of the Rings...

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Why are people studying this? The bible was a work of fiction. I don't see people analysing the metalurgy of the ring out of Lord of the Rings...


Steller comparison there.


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Why are people studying this? The bible was a work of fiction. I don't see people analysing the metalurgy of the ring out of Lord of the Rings...


i know!...I tell everyone that Im a Jedi and no one ever tries to argue with me about it....except Han Solo.

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Why are people studying this? The bible was a work of fiction. I don't see people analysing the metalurgy of the ring out of Lord of the Rings...

Not enough people have read Lord of the Rings and are fanatical enough about it. Otherwise, you'd be correct.


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Why are people studying this? The bible was a work of fiction. I don't see people analysing the metalurgy of the ring out of Lord of the Rings...

What makes you think the stories of Jesus are fiction. Do you also think Jesus was a fictional character? How about Martin Luther King, he's in lots of books and his life is celebrated, is he fictional too?


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tyler wrote:
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Why are people studying this? The bible was a work of fiction. I don't see people analysing the metalurgy of the ring out of Lord of the Rings...

What makes you think the stories of Jesus are fiction. Do you also think Jesus was a fictional character? How about Martin Luther King, he's in lots of books and his life is celebrated, is he fictional too?


you do have a point...i would say that the bible is at the least loosely based on a true story.

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tyler wrote:
spaggy boy wrote:
Why are people studying this? The bible was a work of fiction. I don't see people analysing the metalurgy of the ring out of Lord of the Rings...

What makes you think the stories of Jesus are fiction. Do you also think Jesus was a fictional character? How about Martin Luther King, he's in lots of books and his life is celebrated, is he fictional too?


What book other than the Bible do we have anything from the mouth of Jesus of Nazareth? Show me a contemporary of Jesus (outside the 12 disciples) that even heard of this guy. For someone who cured disease and raised the dead he kept a very low profile.


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hold on...

this study "proves" that a human could have appeared to walk on water at around the time the bible says jesus was of this earth...because it could have been ice that he walking on.

so the bible is wrong either way: either jesus did not perform the miracle of walking on water

or

there was no divine being in the human form named jesus and the bible is all allegorical.

this must really piss off pat robertson. :lol:

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tyler wrote:
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Why are people studying this? The bible was a work of fiction. I don't see people analysing the metalurgy of the ring out of Lord of the Rings...

What makes you think the stories of Jesus are fiction. Do you also think Jesus was a fictional character? How about Martin Luther King, he's in lots of books and his life is celebrated, is he fictional too?


No. But there are fiction books that are based upon a real character and adapted for mass consumption. But more to the point. why do think the Bible is not fiction? It's just a book that a bunch of dudes wrote a long, long time ago. I don't think it's meant to be taken literally, more as a metaphor.

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Dr. Gonzo wrote:
tyler wrote:
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Why are people studying this? The bible was a work of fiction. I don't see people analysing the metalurgy of the ring out of Lord of the Rings...

What makes you think the stories of Jesus are fiction. Do you also think Jesus was a fictional character? How about Martin Luther King, he's in lots of books and his life is celebrated, is he fictional too?


What book other than the Bible do we have anything from the mouth of Jesus of Nazareth? Show me a contemporary of Jesus (outside the 12 disciples) that even heard of this guy. For someone who cured disease and raised the dead he kept a very low profile.


Jesus is mentioned in the Koran...but they claim he was never crucified....or something like that.

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rapscallionyouth wrote:
Dr. Gonzo wrote:
tyler wrote:
spaggy boy wrote:
Why are people studying this? The bible was a work of fiction. I don't see people analysing the metalurgy of the ring out of Lord of the Rings...

What makes you think the stories of Jesus are fiction. Do you also think Jesus was a fictional character? How about Martin Luther King, he's in lots of books and his life is celebrated, is he fictional too?


What book other than the Bible do we have anything from the mouth of Jesus of Nazareth? Show me a contemporary of Jesus (outside the 12 disciples) that even heard of this guy. For someone who cured disease and raised the dead he kept a very low profile.


Jesus is mentioned in the Koran...but they claim he was never crucified....or something like that.


He is, along with Moses and John the Baptist. But the Koran was not written during Jesus' lifetime or right after his death. I'm looking for a contemporary account.


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Dr. Gonzo wrote:
rapscallionyouth wrote:
Dr. Gonzo wrote:
tyler wrote:
spaggy boy wrote:
Why are people studying this? The bible was a work of fiction. I don't see people analysing the metalurgy of the ring out of Lord of the Rings...

What makes you think the stories of Jesus are fiction. Do you also think Jesus was a fictional character? How about Martin Luther King, he's in lots of books and his life is celebrated, is he fictional too?


What book other than the Bible do we have anything from the mouth of Jesus of Nazareth? Show me a contemporary of Jesus (outside the 12 disciples) that even heard of this guy. For someone who cured disease and raised the dead he kept a very low profile.


Jesus is mentioned in the Koran...but they claim he was never crucified....or something like that.


He is, along with Moses and John the Baptist. But the Koran was not written during Jesus' lifetime or right after his death. I'm looking for a contemporary account.


How close to "right after his death" are you thinking? I only ask because none of the gospels in the new testament were written very close to his death.

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energystar wrote:
Dr. Gonzo wrote:
rapscallionyouth wrote:
Dr. Gonzo wrote:
tyler wrote:
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Why are people studying this? The bible was a work of fiction. I don't see people analysing the metalurgy of the ring out of Lord of the Rings...

What makes you think the stories of Jesus are fiction. Do you also think Jesus was a fictional character? How about Martin Luther King, he's in lots of books and his life is celebrated, is he fictional too?


What book other than the Bible do we have anything from the mouth of Jesus of Nazareth? Show me a contemporary of Jesus (outside the 12 disciples) that even heard of this guy. For someone who cured disease and raised the dead he kept a very low profile.


Jesus is mentioned in the Koran...but they claim he was never crucified....or something like that.


He is, along with Moses and John the Baptist. But the Koran was not written during Jesus' lifetime or right after his death. I'm looking for a contemporary account.


How close to "right after his death" are you thinking? I only ask because none of the gospels in the new testament were written very close to his death.


Let's say 150 CE, I think the gospel of John was written around 75 CE.


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Dr. Gonzo wrote:
energystar wrote:
Dr. Gonzo wrote:
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Dr. Gonzo wrote:
tyler wrote:
spaggy boy wrote:
Why are people studying this? The bible was a work of fiction. I don't see people analysing the metalurgy of the ring out of Lord of the Rings...

What makes you think the stories of Jesus are fiction. Do you also think Jesus was a fictional character? How about Martin Luther King, he's in lots of books and his life is celebrated, is he fictional too?


What book other than the Bible do we have anything from the mouth of Jesus of Nazareth? Show me a contemporary of Jesus (outside the 12 disciples) that even heard of this guy. For someone who cured disease and raised the dead he kept a very low profile.


Jesus is mentioned in the Koran...but they claim he was never crucified....or something like that.


He is, along with Moses and John the Baptist. But the Koran was not written during Jesus' lifetime or right after his death. I'm looking for a contemporary account.


How close to "right after his death" are you thinking? I only ask because none of the gospels in the new testament were written very close to his death.


Let's say 150 CE, I think the gospel of John was written around 75 CE.


Actually it was Mark, not John. There were a lot of other christian texts floating around in the century and a half after Jesus' death, each of which painted an entirely different image of Jesus. Most of these manuscripts were lost/destroyed over the years as a set story was settled on, but a few remain (in rather poor condition). The gnostic gospels would be an example.

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