this is the intellect i deal with in my area..from a local message board..

"Things that make you think a little:
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January. In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.

When some claim that President Bush shouldn't have started this war, state the following:
· FDR led us into World War II.
· Germany never attacked us; Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ... an average of 112,500 per year.
· Truman finished that war and started one in Korea. North Korea never attacked us ..From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...an average of 18,334 per year.
· John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.
· Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost .. an average of 5,800 per year.
· Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.
· In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya , Iran, and, North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.

The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking. But It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation..

We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records.

It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.

It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB!
The Military morale is high! The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts"



a response..

"Thank you for such a great post. It is a wonderful change to read something that is factual. I am so tired of reading hate-filled liberal-biased posts that are just dripping with deceit and all things evil.
You, sir or madam, should be commended for being able to articulate facts in a truthful and forward fashion, without having to sink to the level of hatred, deceit and foolishness displayed so often by those who oppose your views. Please, please, please make these kinds of postings more often. Mere words cannot express how wonderful it is to see such a truthful and intelligent post.

Keep on keeping on! "

another..

"well said.. the truth! how about Bush's ratings are climbing again..you dont hear that! how about the deficit almost cut in half..you dont hear that!!! people you need to turn off the liberal media! THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!!! "

how fuckin crazy are these people..

so i say

with all thats goin on i cant believe people support this guy
blows my damn mind..

he is doing a bad job people, i dont know if you follow whats goin on, but....in our country, 30% of the people are in favor of his work..if any one of us had a 30% approval rating at our job, you know where we'd be

people, we are spending tons of money on a needless war while hard workin americans are losing their jobs, health care, etc..

gas is $3.00 a friggin gallon..i dont care what people say..a persident linked with oil companies is elected, gas starts goin up and up and up..people can come up with any theory they want..its just too much of a conincedence for me

i can type stuff like this forever, theres no point..peoples heads will not be removed from their asses

they say

"9/11, war in IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN, Katrina...this would put a govt in a deficit..maybe if Clinton would had done his job..we could have avoided 9/11 & then the wars in IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN!!! "


reply

are you serious??
yeah a war in iraq will put us in a deficit..WHY THE HELL DID WE DO IT THEN??!!

millions of americans are losing health care, but hell, iraquis can now vote!! great for them!!

oh and maybe if bush and the boys heeded the warnings given to them prior to 9/11 , it wouldve been prevented..you do know that they were warned about it beofre hand, right??


a classic reply to me

"You got to be kidding me, I am sure you probably know all about the millions of treats the US Governments gets daily and you just stated that they should of have known about that particular one? lol You are great!
When you buy your bottled water at 1.29, figure out how much that is a gallon, a lot more than 2.85 a gallon, Who is stupid?

Also, Iran goverment was killing whole entire villages/cities of people. Hmm like the Germans did, WERE YOU AGAINIST SAVING THE JEWS AS WELL?

The United States of America is the Big Brother of the world"

so..

"are you serious?? comparing gas to bottled water..that is the dumbest thing ive ever heard..i dont know about you but i aint gonna buy 20 gallons of aquafina this week..but i sure as hell need 20g of gas to get around
s**t, while youre at it, why dont you use visine in your analogy..thats like 4 bucks for like 2 ounces..youd get much more dramatic numbers with that

who is stupid?? hahahaha

and on your other point, we cannot police the world, we just dont have the resources..look at how many great civilizations went bye bye because they spread themselves too thin..as for going after the germans and saving the jews, would we have done that if it wasnt for pearl harber....who knows?? guess we will never know??"

they say

"lets dig futher back before 9/11, the economy was doing GREAT!!! but, on falsely stated earnings by the big .coms (who are since out of business). when that bottom fell out (and those wheels began to fall off before GW ever took office) enron was happening .... gw just got to inherit that mess also and take the blame.
clinton had a great economy & took credit for G bush 1st foriegn auto tax increase which boosted american car sales. which helped drive the economy.

bin laden was offered to clinton in his first term but not wanting to anger the left decided not to act in order to get re-elected, instead he cut the crud out of the military (i know i served then). we went into bosnia which was the right thing to do removing milosevich... just as it was the right thing to do removing saddam & the taliban.

here's a real brain cramper.... how many acts of terror have been carried on US soil against americans SINCE 9/11? that's right none... you see all the zealots who refer to us as infidels because we are not muslim or 'true' believers are trying to smuggle themselves into iraq to 'kill' the infidel soldiers. I served i knew the risks and i would rather be risking it all against these zipper heads instead of having a mother of 2 worring about getting blown up going to the market to get her children some veggies.

contray to what the left media wants you to believe if i would have bought the farm in bosnia my family would have been sad but honored that i gave it all (well actually only risked it all) so you can have the right to bash our commander in chief in public, or demonstrate or vote or read or be educated.. basic liberties everyone takes for granted. gradually regions are being turned over to iraqi troops we trained. the left claim there is no exit strategy, they need to talk to the folks THERE.... and not find the 5 or 6 short timers who hate the military but rather some who understand the 'big' picture. if i have offended you then i am sorry.

bush is doing alright with the cards he was dealt... could be better but believe me it could be alot worse.

gas is expensive because the oil executives are fisting the world... raw crude has not increased... much. but refining prices have increased... the big 4 are on pace to profit margins in the BILLIONS... PROFIT... that was why congress hauled them all in a few months ago... only problem is they did not swear them in ... guess the lobbists won that one.. hate to have another 'cigarettes are not addictive' statement under oath like tobacco few years back.

thanks for reading my many meanderings......

bless our troops! keep on keepin on bruthas'\

good night fellow SKOOKS! where ever you are...."

"I applaud you and am glad there are some people that understand whAT IS GOING ON "

me..

(i purposely spell fuckin wrong bec the page wont allow you to post with the f word in it)

"this is great
out of the 40 bush supporters left in the country 38 of them are in schuylkill county, and post on the damn purple page

yeah guys..hes doin a great job!!

OUR FUKKIN COUNTRY IS HEADED STRAIGHT DOWN THE TUBES BECAUSE OF THESE A-HOLES

fcukin ididots..im done posting anything political, its useless..some people are just dumb.. "

another classic..

"How did he warn him? "Mr. Bush while I was getting head in the oval office...I got a call from the miltary and they had BinLaden in their sights and should they kill him", Well I blew my load all over Monica and stated, "NO!!!!!!!", the miltary hung up and I finished with "Not on your blue dress!"
Clinton is the WORSE PRESIDENT EVER, GAY RIGHTS started big with the don't ask/don't tell in the military. WAY TO GO HOMO"

my last one..

(cumbola is were this guy lives..small hillbilly hick town..surprised tehy even have computers there)

"hahahaha
you people crack me up

cuttin up my spelling when obviously i spelled the f word wrong on purpose beacuse it wouldnt allow the f word to be printed in its regular spelling

friggin cum-bola..funny stuff.."the worse president ever"....hahahahaa what are you a third grader..probably not even that, because the average 3rd grader knows you use the word worse when you compare 2 things..the word youre lookin for is worst..the worst president ever

and its funny how in one sentence you talk about clinton recieving head from chicks and you call him a homo later!! that makes sense.."

dont know why i even bother..its fun sometimes tho..especially when im bombed, as was the case last night..

I was at a loss for words when the FDR declared war on Germany not Japan came up. EVERYONE fucking knew Hitler was 10,000Xs more dangerous than Japan. The Japanese were looking to expand their empire...Germany was looking to take over the whole fucking world.

I really love when people utter this stupid phrase. I can hear Chris Rock doing his bit about people taking credit for stuff they are supposed to do.

This whole thread makes my brain hurt.

Once upon a time, I categorized Bush supporters into three groups. People got kind of mad at me about it, but I still think it's pretty accurate.

1) The very rich who actually benefit from Bush's economic policies.

2) The religious (Christian) social conservatives who buy into the rhetoric and actually believe that Bush has the desire and ability to change society (something that no politician actually has).

3) Idiots.

The above message board is populated with the third type.

that's a pretty narrow-minded view in and of itself, right there.

Well, you know how we have a pretty good rapport around RM with people of all political stripes. As differently as we may see the world, we have a history of discussions where many points have been laid out by both sides, argued, proven or debunked, and processed. So when someone says something absurd, people both right and left can usually spot the argument as bullshit right off the bat, and those of us who spend a lot of time here just ignore the bullshit and move on the real discussions.

Reading the "discussion" in teh first post is just mind-numbing because it makes you feel like you'd have to completely start over from scratch with those people if you even wanted them to listen, much less learn. But when those arguments are presented, especially with the vitriol that accompanied them (and not tongue-in-cheek humor), the proponents are probably incapable of intelligent discussion no matter how long you talked with them.

Hence, they are idiots.

BTW, just because you voted for Bush, doesn't make you a "Bush supporter". I voted for Kerry, and I'm FAR from a Kerry supporter. He was just better than Bush. Your opinion may differ.

Did John Glenn write that post?

thanks for drawing that distinction. i think it's an important one. i'm kind of the inverse of your view.

my favorite part of all his posts..i mean, we all make typos and mistakes and stuff..but how does this even happen..how dumb does this make you look?? at this point i was drunk and had no ambition to have a serious discussion anymore, what can you say..pd's right..this person is an idiot, literally

his bottled water theroy was almost equally as impressive

That's a curious statement from someone who's living in the boomtown. Did you know that Phoenix posted the largest employment growth in the nation last year?

Are you completely discrediting the Bush tax-cuts? Do they not spur investment, growth, construction? At all? There's nothing to supply-side theory?

There's always a boomtown. Today Phoenix, tomorrow Boise, yesterday Denver. Wherever there's cheap land to build on, growth will be there. Little relation to national policies.

Now if the whole country were a boomtown right now, you might have a point, but ask a New Yorker, especially one from the northern half of Manhattan, how times are the past five years, and you might have a different response.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/metro.t01.htm

Denver unemployment: May '05 to May '06 5.1 to 4.4
Boise unemployment : 3.1 to 2.6

367 metro areas in the US: 302 report lower yty unemployment, 21 unchanged.

Some areas unemployment is so low, companies can't fill needed positions.

I ask you again: Is there nothing to supply-side theory?

Not nothing. But I would say that local growth is the result of local policies first and foremost.

Yes, Tennessee is growing faster than New York because of more favorable tax policies. Now if tax policies were evened out nationally, what would be the result? Growth everywhere? I don't think so.

Arizona is growing like crazy for a lot of reasons, including favorable tax policies. But those favorable tax policies lead to Arizona spending 49th of 50 states per pupil on public education, in a state where MORE money needs to be spent than average, not far less, because of the huge number of ESL students.

Besides, growth at that rate can't keep up, and shouldn't. I liked Milwaukee, where property increased in value 3-7% per year come hell or high water. Nice and steady.

Besides, Phoenix Metro was booming long before Bush took office. The town I grew up in (city now ), Gilbert, had some 30,000 residents when I moved in in 1988, and over 100,000 in 2001 when I moved out (and when Bush took office). I'm willing to bet the area has experienced relatively similar growth rates in both the Bush and Clinton years.

Made me think of this for some reason.

Hank's letter to Ann

Well, I did post some fairly impressive national numbers.

It's funny that they think the "Iraq war" was only the initial entry into the country and us beating Saddam's forces. Way to completely ignore the three years after that. It's worse than saying WWII was won after D-Day.

i know nothing of supply side economics, but i do know that these numbers never reflect the amount of people who are dropped off the unemplyment rolls becuse they collected for too long and are no longer eligible.

these numbers also do not reflect whether the new found jobs were comparable to the ones that were lost i.e. an IT guy loses his $50,000 job, and can only a find service industry job for $8/hour.

when he compared this war to WWII he lost me... i don't exactly see a country building an empire and invading other countries, well maybe i see one...


but cheers tto that guy using cold hard unrelated facts... he found an encyclopedia

It's hard to make a convincing argument when you speak in such generalities.

Your first paragraph isn't quite correct. While it's true that the actual number of people collecting unemployment benefits may be affected by those who are no longer eligible, the unemployment rate is derived by sampling households; anyone looking for work is considered unemployed. http://www.bls.gov/cps/cps_htgm.htm


further reading:supply-side economics