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maybe i should start packing my bug out bag.

i mean, aug 22nd is just around the corner..... :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: Iran to attack Israel very very soon.
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Irans leader believes his god is about to return & he must first wipe Israel out for this happen.
Also keep an eye on August the 22nd.
as princton professor bernard Lewis has said.


Bernard Lewish predicted the day that Ahmadinejad would refuse to halt his nuclear program! ... again! :shock:

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Israel adds 2 nuclear-capable submarines
By RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 38 minutes ago

With the purchase of two more German-made Dolphin submarines capable of carrying nuclear warheads, military experts say Israel is sending a clear message to Iran that it can strike back if attacked by nuclear weapons.

The purchases come at a time when Iran is refusing to bow to growing Western demands to halt its nuclear program, and after Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

The new submarines, built at a cost of $1.3 billion with Germany footing one-third of the bill, have diesel-electric propulsion systems that allow them to remain submerged for longer periods of time than the three nuclear arms-capable submarines already in Israel's fleet, the Jerusalem Post reported.

The latest submarines not only would be able to carry out a first strike should Israel choose to do so, but they also would provide Israel with crucial second-strike capabilities, said Paul Beaver, a London-based independent defense analyst.

Israel is already believed to have that ability in the form of the Jericho-1 and Jericho-2 nuclear-capable ballistic missiles, which are buried so far underground they would survive a nuclear strike, he said.

"The Iranians would be very foolish if they attacked Israel," Beaver said.

German officials have said the contract for the new submarines was signed July 6, and the Jerusalem Post reported this week the subs will be operational shortly.

Israel, operating on a policy of nuclear ambiguity, has never confirmed or denied whether it has nuclear weapons. It is believed, however, to have the world's sixth-largest stockpile of atomic arms, including hundreds of warheads.

Iran so far has resisted calls by the U.N. Security Council to halt uranium enrichment, which can produce, among other things, the material for atomic bombs. The council set an Aug. 31 deadline that is accompanied by the threat of sanctions.

The dispute over Tehran's nuclear program revolves around Iran's insistence it wants to master the technology simply to generate electricity. Critics say Iran wants to make nuclear weapons.

The Dolphin submarine could be one of the best deterrents, Beaver said. The technology on the subs makes them undetectable and gives them defensive capabilities in the case of attack, he said.

"They are very well-built, very well-prepared, lots of interesting equipment, one of the best conventional submarines available," Beaver said. "We are talking about a third string of deterrence capabilities."

Michael Karpin, an expert on Israel's atomic weapons capabilities who published a book on the issue in the United States, said nuclear-armed submarines provide better second-strike capabilities than missiles launched from airplanes.

"Planes are vulnerable, unlike nuclear (armed) submarines that can operate for an almost unlimited amount of time without being struck," Karpin said. "Second-strike capabilities are a crucial element in any nuclear conflict."

In Germany, members of two opposition parties criticized the deal. Winfried Nachtwei, national security spokesman for the Greens, said the decision was wrong because Germany had obtained no guarantee the submarines would not be used to carry nuclear weapons.

"This red line should not be crossed," Nachtwei was quoted as saying by the newspaper Taz. "Otherwise it is a complete renunciation of Germany's policy of non-proliferation."

David Menashri, an Israeli expert on Iran, said Tehran is clearly determined to obtain nuclear weapons and "the purchase of additional Dolphin submarines by Israel is a small footnote in this context."

What also makes Tehran dangerous, Beaver said, is that it may not understand the consequences of carrying out a nuclear strike.

"They (Iran) have a belligerent leadership and that's why Israel is prudent in ensuring that it has that deterrent capability," Beaver said. "What they (the submarines) are is a very good insurance policy."

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Israel adds 2 nuclear-capable submarines
By RAMIT PLUSHNICK-MASTI, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 38 minutes ago

With the purchase of two more German-made Dolphin submarines capable of carrying nuclear warheads, military experts say Israel is sending a clear message to Iran that it can strike back if attacked by nuclear weapons.


Part of Germany's plan to take out Israel, England, and the US?

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 Post subject: Re: Iran to attack Israel very very soon.
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Even though Panetta is claiming the reverse of this thread title, I just couldn't resist unearthing some old N&D history of RM.

http://news.yahoo.com/panetta-says-isra ... 58035.html

Panetta says Israel could strike Iran in spring: report

US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta believes there is a "strong possibility" that Israel will strike Iran's nuclear installations this spring, the Washington Post said Thursday in an editorial.

When asked about the opinion piece by reporters travelling with him to a NATO meeting in Brussels, Panetta brushed it aside.

"I'm not going to comment on that. David Ignatius can write what he will but with regards with what I think and what I view, I consider that to be an area that belongs to me and nobody else," he said.

"Israel indicated they're considering this (a strike), we've indicated our concerns," he added.

The Post columnist said Panetta "believes there is a strong likelihood that Israel will strike Iran in April, May or June before Iran enters what Israelis described as a 'zone of immunity' to commence building a nuclear bomb."

President Barack Obama and Panetta are "said to have cautioned the Israelis that the United States opposes an attack, believing that it would derail an increasingly successful international economic sanctions program and other non-military efforts to stop Iran from crossing the threshold," he said.

"But the White House hasn’t yet decided precisely how the United States would respond if the Israelis do attack."

Panetta said Sunday in an interview with CBS that Iran needed "about a year" to produce enough enriched uranium for a nuclear weapon, and one or two more years to "put it on a deliverable vehicle."

Iran insists its nuclear project is peaceful and has threatened retaliation over the fresh sanctions, including possibly disrupting shipping through the strategic Strait of Hormuz.

Israeli media reported in October last year that the option of pre-emptive air strikes on Iran was opposed by the country's intelligence services but favored by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Defence Minister Ehud Barak.

Israeli television said Mossad chief Tamir Pardo raised the possibility of a unilateral strike on Iran during a visit last week to Washington.


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 Post subject: Re: Iran to attack Israel very very soon.
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I wrote something this week on why not to attack Iran:
http://thecoolship.com/2012/01/30/avoid ... he-regime/

And of course, there are a number of reasons not to attack other than the one I emphasize in that article (that being: an attack will likely encourage nationalism, thereby strengthening the regime and likely strengthen its most conservative, hawkish members most of all).

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Just wondering... does anyone on this board think this is a good idea?

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broken iris wrote:
Just wondering... does anyone on this board think this is a good idea?



Preemptively? Hell no.

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So WW3 starts this spring?

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So WW3 starts this spring?



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broken iris wrote:
Just wondering... does anyone on this board think this is a good idea?

My portfolio does.

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broken iris wrote:
Just wondering... does anyone on this board think this is a good idea?

My portfolio does.



As does my employer. :oops: :oops:

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very very soon it's been 8 years.


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kpj wrote:
very very soon it's been 8 years.
this is getting esolc

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EllisEamos wrote:
kpj wrote:
very very soon it's been 8 years.
this is getting esolc

close?


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kpj wrote:
EllisEamos wrote:
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very very soon it's been 8 years.
this is getting esolc

close?
you know it.

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Israel, you now have a truly legit reason to attack Iran.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/ ... 8720120206


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this is getting close!

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The guest on The Daily Show yesterday had some really interesting insights into Iranian politics and motives. Check it out if you missed it.

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