I see in another thread that people are listing the following "Human/civil/women's rights" as something that should be a concern of the government. Why do people feel the need to single out women's rights? How are these not covered by Human Rights? If we are going to break out women's rights on their should the same be done for children's rights and men's rights?

To me it seems by breaking out women's rights as seperate from Human Rights that the attitude is push come to shove fuck Human Rights, women want it in their best interest and in their best interest only.

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Well some might argue that women get paid less than men. And we have special medical issues. So therefore human rights wouldn't cover abortions, wages, maternity leave, etc.

it's the same with gay rights, black rights back in the day etc....

I don't see how human rights are not covering this.

Neither do I.

But, if women want to be special, I see no problem with classifying womens rights in a special group. Not really much to debate about here.

And men die earlier, are much more probable to be attacked violently during their life, paternity leave, custody issues, equal access to higher education. So really you think that their should be men's rights on equal footing as women's rights.

I guess where I get confused is that if we are all human wouldn't these things be covered by Human Rights. Making an issue a men's rights or women's rights issue just imposes barriers where we act like the issues don't affect the other.

True, I guess being put into a select, standalone, group is appealing on some level.

And the being paid less than men is not exactly true. The percentages of men in college has been falling yearly, so the pay issue will probably be changing shortly, that is, if it hasn't already.

If everyone understood that "treating women as the equals of men" is a basic human rights issue, the differentiation wouldn't be necessary. Unfortunately, there are many who would fight to support the human and civil rights of people in foreign lands who would also have no problem treating women as second class citizens, so the distinction is still necessary.

A lot of these people, I'm afraid, live here in the great lands of the south.

I didn't want to go pointing any fingers...

Is battling one type of prejudice with another prejudice really the way to go?

Basically you are saying is that because some women think it's okay that men are under represented in higher education that men's rights should spring up, with special rights that trump human rights to address this issue. Same goes for the fact that men on average die earlier, even more disturbing is the fact that most women know this fact they just don't give a fuck.

It is absolutely true that women get paid less than men for doing the exact same work.

Because the issues are quite different than the issues presented by most discussion of "human rights".

I guess the office I work in operates in an alternate universe.

I thought it was common knowledge? Perhaps not.

Men are "under represented" in higher education? Wow, you're good at this sociology thing. Men's rights are certainly being denied!

Actually it tells us a lot about how men are treated in society, how boys are treated within our public schools systems, the possible adverse effects that single motherhood has had on boys. Dismissing fact seems pretty childish.

But let me guess a woman being "under represented" on her paycheck is a big deal that deserves special rights and considerations. Ignorance like this keeps me sticking to Human Rights.

I've seen a number of studies that debunk this. I have seen studies that support it too.

So far as I'm concerned, if I'm running a business and a woman is the best candidate for the job, I'm hiring the woman. For real, why would ANYBODY give a shit about someones sex when it comes to the business making more money?

On the flipside, I have seen a lot of studies that suggest that women aren't hired as often because of maternity issues.

But if you could hire a woman, the best candidate, for a job AND pay her less than you would have paid an equally qualified man, then you make the company even MORE money!!