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"The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint that's thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic, and interfere with other men's rights."
He was an "interesting" fellow. Never afraid to voice his opinion, he valued the very freedom that he sometimes struggled to allow others to have. For those who voted for him continually, from one generation to the next, they loved his aggressive style and his stance on social issues. Helms represented those who voted for him, and those who voted for Helms made him who he was. There is no separation between the two.
While I respect his independence and his fierce loyalty to his constituency, I questioned his ability to lead or be a part of leadership (in this case, the federal government). It is fine to be an individual. It is fine to stand up for your district or state, and to defend it as well as to try and protect it. It is your home and that is your right should you choose to do so. If that is your mindset, perhaps local or state politics would be a wiser choice. But as we all know, due to the rampant corruption of the federal government, one can do a lot more for one's state by being part of the "capital gang".
Even though I have disdain for the federal government in general, it is a body that is designed to govern the country as a whole. As such, it requires a level of compromise, empathy, and responsibility to put aside one's own interests from home, and look to the broader picture. Instead of working to become this sort of "ideal" federal employee, Helms did what each and every other federal politician (regardless of party) does on a continued and routine basis: Appeal strictly to their own base of support in order to keep their long and financially-rewarding careers going. That, among many other things, is my primary problem with the federal government, and Helms represented that sentiment just as much as any liberal politician he so vehemently hated. Many of his actions were indefensible, but they did reflect the very views of those whom he represented. The problem was never just with Helms, it was far larger than that and continues to be so. Simply put, those whose views Helms shared, and the mechanism of government that allows such things to be perpetuated are at the very heart of the problem.
"The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint that's thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic, and interfere with other men's rights."
"The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint that's thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic, and interfere with other men's rights."
And he died on the Fourth of July.
did he really say that?? when?
WRAL-TV commentary, 1963
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Crime rates and irresponsibility among Negroes are a fact of life which must be faced.
"The Negro cannot count forever on the kind of restraint that's thus far left him free to clog the streets, disrupt traffic, and interfere with other men's rights."
And he died on the Fourth of July.
did he really say that?? when?
WRAL-TV commentary, 1963
Also
Crime rates and irresponsibility among Negroes are a fact of life which must be faced.
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For my North Carolina friends what kind of reaction is Helms' passing getting there? Here in Georgia we've had plenty of politicians & public figures that were embarrassing at times but also meant a lot to the state's history.
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Theresa wrote:
It's a little known fact that Jesse Helms was racist.
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B wrote:
Theresa wrote:
It's a little known fact that Jesse Helms was racist.
News to me.
Helms represented the people who voted for him. Great. He was a shitstain, and so were teh people who voted for him. To the worms, I say, "Bon appetit".
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It's a little known fact that Jesse Helms was racist.
News to me.
Helms represented the people who voted for him. Great. He was a shitstain, and so were the people who voted for him. To the worms, I say, "Bon appetit".
it's well known he was racist...i didn't know he was so openly one...
I don't really see him as racist, or even intolerant, so much as a writer of some of the finest one-liners since Nietzsche. I like to assume he was one of Sacha Baron Cohen's characters, only written more subtly.
Some highlights:
"There is not one single case of AIDS in this country that cannot be traced in origin to sodomy."
"...in the l8 years and 5 months I've been in the senate, none, none have been more capable than Dan Quayle."
"To rob the Negro of his reputation of thinking through a problem in his own fashion is about the same as trying to pretend that he doesn't have a natural instinct for rhythm and for singing and dancing."
"If God had wanted us to use the metric system, Jesus would have had 10 apostles."
"I was with some Vietnamese recently, and some of them were smoking two cigarettes at the same time. That's the kind of customers we need!" (at a dinner to promote the state's tobacco industry)
This last one is supposedly from an interview in the North Carolina Progressive, February 6, 1985, though it was not one of the portions printed in that article. Later, a Democrat piece came out quoting Republicans off the record, and included this. Our man may or may not have said it, but he refused numerous opportunities to deny saying it.
"I've been portrayed as a caveman by some. That's not true. I'm a conservative progressive, and that means I think all men are equal, be they slants, beaners or niggers."
I don't really see him as racist, or even intolerant, so much as a writer of some of the finest one-liners since Nietzsche. I like to assume he was one of Sacha Baron Cohen's characters, only written more subtly.
Some highlights:
"There is not one single case of AIDS in this country that cannot be traced in origin to sodomy."
"...in the l8 years and 5 months I've been in the senate, none, none have been more capable than Dan Quayle."
"To rob the Negro of his reputation of thinking through a problem in his own fashion is about the same as trying to pretend that he doesn't have a natural instinct for rhythm and for singing and dancing."
"If God had wanted us to use the metric system, Jesus would have had 10 apostles."
"I was with some Vietnamese recently, and some of them were smoking two cigarettes at the same time. That's the kind of customers we need!" (at a dinner to promote the state's tobacco industry)
This last one is supposedly from an interview in the North Carolina Progressive, February 6, 1985, though it was not one of the portions printed in that article. Later, a Democrat piece came out quoting Republicans off the record, and included this. Our man may or may not have said it, but he refused numerous opportunities to deny saying it.
"I've been portrayed as a caveman by some. That's not true. I'm a conservative progressive, and that means I think all men are equal, be they slants, beaners or niggers."
Pure gold.
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And the man ABC News now describes as a "conservative icon" (8/22/01) in 1993 sang "Dixie" in an elevator to Carol Moseley-Braun, the first African-American woman elected to the Senate, bragging, "I'm going to make her cry. I'm going to sing Dixie until she cries." (Chicago Sun-Times, 8/5/93)
A year before the election, when public polls showed Helms trailing by 20 points, he launched a Senate filibuster against the bill making the birthday of Martin Luther King Jr. a national holiday. (David Broder, Washington Post, Aug, 29, 2001)
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out with the old, in with the new. goodbye to the entrenched.
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Rev. Barber of the North Carolina NCAAP wrote:
We in the Civil Rights community had deep and stark differences with Senator Jesse Helms’ public policy positions. He opposed fundamental constitutional rights and the implementation of civil rights protections.
But we are all human. Senator Helms was a member of the human race, the human family, and as moral people, we are required to love even those who oppose us. We pray for his family and those he leaves behind in bereavement.
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
Aren't all die hard conservatives racist? Especially in states south of the dotted dixon line?
Yes.
I hope it was an especially horrible and painful death.
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