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is anyone else surprised that there have not been any of these incidents in the US?


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is anyone else surprised that there have not been any of these incidents in the US?


I am. I don't understand why there hasn't been any yet.

It has to be just a matter of time.

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it just doesn't make any sense. it's probably the easiest way to cause terror.


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The number of in-progress attacks stopped in the US is classified. It is only a matter of time before this does happen.

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Well, I would hope that our government and law enforcement is working to prevent it from happening. Perhaps they have been successful thus far. I can't imagine anyone hoping that a suicide bombing would occur in the U.S. Hoping against an attack, and doing everything you can to prevent it, has nothing to do with Republicans and President Bush. It is in everyone's best interest to make sure it doesn't happen. Being happy that the current administration has prevented attacks so far doesn't have to mean that you are a supporter of them. If you've read the Raw Story comment boards, however, you would find that many believe that and actually wish an attack would occur (although against no one they know, of course). Very sad indeed.


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Akhenaten wrote:
Well, I would hope that our government and law enforcement is working to prevent it from happening. Perhaps they have been successful thusfar. I can't imagine anyone hoping that a suicide bombing would occur in the U.S. Hoping against an attack, and doing everything you can to prevent it, has nothing to do with Republicans and President Bush. It is in everyone's best interest to make sure it doesn't happen. Being happy that the current administration has prevented attacks so far doesn't have to mean that you are a supporter of them. If you've read the Raw Story comment boards, however, you would find that many believe that and actually wish an attack would occur (although against no one they know, of course). Very sad indeed.


of cours i hope the same thing. But anyone with an internet connection can find a manual on how to make a bomb, and i imagine some bombs might be fabricated within a couple of hours.


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It just seems like it would be impossible to stop.

There was a 21 year old kid that made a bomb and strapped it to himself here in OK last year. He walked over to the OU football game. A stadium with over 70,000 people in it. For some reason, he stopped at a bench about 500 yards or so from the stadium, possibly to arm it, but who knows.

He blew himself into a million little pieces.

I still can't believe that didn't make national news. I think we will probably see more and more of this.

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If another attack occurs on U.S. soil, I would pity Muslims in this country, because the outrage and reactionary violence on the part of many could certainly be extreme. I personally cannot stand terrorists or Muslim extremists. To me, they are the lowest form of garbage in this world. I am not one to normally take matters into my own hands, but I cannot account for millions of others who would. It would be a shit-storm and only serve to prop up the War on Terror. Be careful what you wish for.


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Akhenaten wrote:
If another attack occurs on U.S. soil, I would pity Muslims in this country, because the outrage and reactionary violence on the part of many could certainly be extreme. I personally cannot stand terrorists or Muslim extremists. To me, they are the lowest form of garbage in this world. I am not one to normally take matters into my own hands, but I cannot account for millions of others who would. It would be a shit-storm and only serve to prop up the War on Terror. Be careful what you wish for.


who said anything about muslims? it was a general question


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Akhenaten wrote:
If another attack occurs on U.S. soil, I would pity Muslims in this country, because the outrage and reactionary violence on the part of many could certainly be extreme. I personally cannot stand terrorists or Muslim extremists. To me, they are the lowest form of garbage in this world. I am not one to normally take matters into my own hands, but I cannot account for millions of others who would. It would be a shit-storm and only serve to prop up the War on Terror. Be careful what you wish for.


Who's wishing for suicide bombings?

Oh, and the kid that did that at OU was a white kid.

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conoalias wrote:
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If another attack occurs on U.S. soil, I would pity Muslims in this country, because the outrage and reactionary violence on the part of many could certainly be extreme. I personally cannot stand terrorists or Muslim extremists. To me, they are the lowest form of garbage in this world. I am not one to normally take matters into my own hands, but I cannot account for millions of others who would. It would be a shit-storm and only serve to prop up the War on Terror. Be careful what you wish for.


who said anything about muslims? it was a general question


Who performs the majority of suicide attacks in the world?
What group has been most outspoken about attacking the United States?


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I think it helps that in the US, you're more likely to hear dissenting opinions. It's possible for a Palestinian in Palestine to grow up hearing nothing but "jews suck, blow them up." In the US, SOME other viewpoint is likely to reach your ears, either from talking to other people, watching TV, SOMETHING ... enough, at least, to make you think about whether or not you're actually so gun-ho about your cause as to die for it.

This is all, of course, based on broad generalizations, and not clear of exceptions.

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Gimme Some Skin wrote:
Akhenaten wrote:
If another attack occurs on U.S. soil, I would pity Muslims in this country, because the outrage and reactionary violence on the part of many could certainly be extreme. I personally cannot stand terrorists or Muslim extremists. To me, they are the lowest form of garbage in this world. I am not one to normally take matters into my own hands, but I cannot account for millions of others who would. It would be a shit-storm and only serve to prop up the War on Terror. Be careful what you wish for.



Oh, and the kid that did that at OU was a white kid.


Yes. I cannot stand terrorists and he would qualify as one. I also hate Muslim extremists, who are almost always terrorists as well (or "peaceful farmers").


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 Post subject: Re: Suicidebombers in the US
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conoalias wrote:
is anyone else surprised that there have not been any of these incidents in the US?

I'm shocked.


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I'm actually not that surprised. Well, I am surprised that there have been almost none, but it will never be a constant threat like it is in someplace like Iraq or Israel. This is because we don't have a ready population of potential suicide bombers in America. They would most likely have to be imported.

Suicide bombing is not a simple business. You need willing participants, trained by an organization, and armed by that organization. It's not unlike trainingan underground army, but with people anxious to die for their cause. Americans just aren't anxious to die, life is too good here.

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I think it helps that in the US, you're more likely to hear dissenting opinions. It's possible for a Palestinian in Palestine to grow up hearing nothing but "jews suck, blow them up." In the US, SOME other viewpoint is likely to reach your ears, either from talking to other people, watching TV, SOMETHING ... enough, at least, to make you think about whether or not you're actually so gun-ho about your cause as to die for it.

This is all, of course, based on broad generalizations, and not clear of exceptions.


sure, but of the almost 300 milion people living in the US there are bound to be at least a couple of hundreds, maybe even thousands who have this thought in their head.


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Suicide bombing is not a simple business. You need willing participants, trained by an organization, and armed by that organization. It's not unlike trainingan underground army, but with people anxious to die for their cause. Americans just aren't anxious to die, life is too good here.


That is a better point than I made. Well put.


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punkdavid wrote:
Suicide bombing is not a simple business. You need willing participants, trained by an organization, and armed by that organization. It's not unlike trainingan underground army, but with people anxious to die for their cause. Americans just aren't anxious to die, life is too good here.


I'm sure that training organization can purchase a plane ticket to get said bomber from Tikrit to Boston.


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punkdavid wrote:
I'm actually not that surprised. Well, I am surprised that there have been almost none, but it will never be a constant threat like it is in someplace like Iraq or Israel. This is because we don't have a ready population of potential suicide bombers in America. They would most likely have to be imported.

Suicide bombing is not a simple business. You need willing participants, trained by an organization, and armed by that organization. It's not unlike trainingan underground army, but with people anxious to die for their cause. Americans just aren't anxious to die, life is too good here.


it's doesn't have to be organized. just google how to make a bomb, and you'll get millions of webpages. any loon with a so called cause and carry this out within 24 hours of getting "inspired"


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punkdavid wrote:
Americans just aren't anxious to die, life is too good here.


You are correct, Americans aren't anxious to die, period. However, I don't think it has as much to do with quality of life as it has to do with ideology. Take the group in the U.K. that was planning the plane bombings. They were raised in England....immersed in Western culture.....and, from reports, were all middle-class. Despite this, they were ready to blow up planes over the Atlantic. It was the religious ideology that guided them, not that their quality of life was unsatisfactory. Of course one of the tenets that terrorists are taught is that the afterlife holds much more promise than the present world, but again their martyrdom concept is religious ideology.


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