Joined: Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:54 am Posts: 7189 Location: CA
Being a poor college student, I figure its about time I get a job. After dropping off several applications I was only able to find one business that was hiring, and it is a local grocery store. Now, in addition to making a meagre $7.40 an hour, I have to pay a $100 initiation fee to get into the union, and pay unspecified monthly dues. This is a 'closed shop', and I was assured by the union manager that I could not be scheduled if I fail to join the union within 60 days. Keep in mind that I only intend on working 16-20 hours a week.
I have not yet begun working, and I may still reconsider, but I can't help to feel that part time employees exist in this store only to support the union retirement plan and union organizer. Do unions do anything these days but perpetuate themselves in order to fund the retirements for the organizers, in between destroying american industries?
I have no personal reason to dislike unions, and I have only objected to them untill now on political grounds. I may very well take this job as this is my only prospective employment, but how can I square with working for a union when I just sent off an email to the Californian Libertarian Gubernatorial candidate offering to help with the campaign?
As an aside, has anyone else worked in a grocery store, and if so, how much does it suck?
I have not yet begun working, and I may still reconsider, but I can't help to feel that part time employees exist in this store only to support the union retirement plan and union organizer.
I would agree with that.
simple schoolboy wrote:
Do unions do anything these days but perpetuate themselves in order to fund the retirements for the organizers, in between destroying american industries?
There was a time when labor unions were an important aspect of American life, but time, greed, and changes in the economy have greatly lessened their usefulness as well as made them quite corrupt. In my opinion, I would like to see them go the way of the dodo, unless they are completely overhauled into actually pursuing the best interests of the worker,as opposed to the union boss' bottom line.
simple schoolboy wrote:
but how can I square with working for a union when I just sent off an email to the Californian Libertarian Gubernatorial candidate offering to help with the campaign?
Life is full of contradictions, but that makes it interesting. Its a free country and to be libertarian means to do what is best for you as an individual. I don't see a problem if its something you really want to do.
simple schoolboy wrote:
As an aside, has anyone else worked in a grocery store, and if so, how much does it suck?
Yes, in high school. It sucked, but it was cash flow. If you are in school, just remember that you will not be a grocer forever, and that you are preparing yourself to rise above. This can help motivate you when you clean the feculent public restroom. If it were me, I would tell this particular store to fuck itself. I'm not going to pay somebody to work for them. That goes against everything I believe in. But for you, if the situation is right and you want to pay your dues, then go for it.
I have no philospohical problem with organized labor at all. I'd much rather see unions regulate companies within than getting the gov't involved.
And that is a great point as well. To clarify, I do not have a problem with workers uniting behind a cause, but I have a problem with the present infrastructure in place through which they can do that. I tend to agree with the following statements regarding the transparency of union accounting and operation and how that may effect the survivability of unions in the modern economy:
Tim Kane, PhD & James Sherk August 29, 2006 wrote:
A new program to enforce fiscal transparency within unions by the Department of Labor is well-timed to help unions conduct a much-needed self-examination. For decades, big labor rightfully decried shady accounting in corporations, but never faced up to their own shady accounting. Laws dating back to 1959 require union reporting of finances, but until the Labor Department’s Office of Labor-Management Standards began enforcing the law, very few filings occurred. That environment changed significantly on March 31, 2006, the deadline for filing a new LM-2 form that details the finances of any union with $250,000 or more in dues.
Those who support American workers can hope that the new transparency will foster the necessary change in the character and principles entrenched in union leaders. The splintering of the AFL-CIO may prove to be the tipping point needed to kick off some diversification, experimentation, and evolution in what a union is in the modern economy. This is how unions can survive. In that sense, more transparency and scrutiny are best interpreted as useful tools for rank-and-file members to reassert what they want.
Polls reveal that American workers do not see their workplaces in the negative light that union leaders do. A full 67 percent of Americans say their company has a strong sense of loyalty towards them.
And conventional wisdom is wrong: American workers are not frightened. Just 9 percent of workers fear their job will be shipped overseas. Moreover, workers are satisfied with their job security by an 82 to 15 percent margin.
What do American workers want? According to one survey, 62 percent of workers rated excessive bureaucracy as their largest barrier to job satisfaction, while 59 percent rated co-workers who focus on assigning blame instead of accomplishing tasks. In another poll, 60 percent of workers said that flexibility was very important to their job satisfaction. Unions have not put the effort into addressing these concerns that they have into fighting outsourcing, but these are the issues that matter to workers.
In this sense the discord among splintering unions is perhaps a sign of hope. For example, AFL-CIO chief John Sweeney is denouncing immigration reform proposals that would legalize guest workers, while Service Employees International Union boss Andy Stern has championed poor migrant workers. This is exactly the kind of diversity that will be essential for the union movement to evolve by trying different approaches to the challenges of the 21st century, not simply applying outdated approaches to modern problems.
Perhaps this is an answer that will help the individual worker in today's economy, and help make unions useful once more.
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 4:01 am Posts: 19477 Location: Brooklyn NY
Hahaha
A friend of mine worked at a union grocery store over the summer and never paid his union fees...two weeks before he quit the union sent him a letter saying they would call to have his employment terminated if he didn't pay them $200 within two weeks. So he pretty much got away without paying the bastards.
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LittleWing sometime in July 2007 wrote:
Unfortunately, it's so elementary, and the big time investors behind the drive in the stock market aren't so stupid. This isn't the false economy of 2000.
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