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 Post subject: Giuliani, Clinton favorites for 2008 nominations
PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 6:18 pm 
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/07/poll/index.html

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(CNN) -- Republicans favor former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani for the GOP presidential nomination in 2008, while Democrats are looking toward Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton of New York for their nominee, according to a CNN poll released Thursday.

Thirty-one percent of the 432 poll respondents who identified themselves as Republicans chose Giuliani from a list of potential 2008 nominees, according to the survey conducted by Opinion Research Corp. on behalf of CNN.

The next closest choices were Sen. John McCain of Arizona, with 20 percent, and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, with 12 percent. (View the complete poll results for all potential GOP and Democratic candidates -- PDF)

No other Republican broke out of the single digits, and 14 percent of respondents said they were unsure about their choice.

Among the 517 identifying themselves as Democrats, 37 percent chose Clinton, and 20 percent favored former Vice President Al Gore.

The 2004 Democratic presidential nominee, Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, and Kerry's running mate, former Sen. John Edwards of North Carolina, trailed with 11 percent each.

All other Democrats fielded 3 percent or less in the survey, while 8 percent of the respondents said they were unsure about their choice.

Asked if they would only vote for a candidate who opposed the Iraq war at its inception in 2003, 56 percent of Democrats said no, and 41 percent said yes.

In a separate survey conducted of 1,004 adult Americans, 86 percent said they favor Congress passing legislation that would raise the minimum wage.

The surveys were conducted by telephone August 30 to September 2.

The overall margin of error was plus or minus 5 percentage points, except for the minimum wage question, where the margin of error was plus or minus 3 percentage points.


Is this really how things are shaping up? Clinton vs Giuliani? I guess there's no real surprise here. I guess I can't wait to see if Barack Obama will ever decide to make a run, maybe in 2012.

Damn, even Giuliani looks like gold after seeing what the current administration has done.


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Giuliani would destroy Clinton. It wouldn't be close. There are about as many Democrats that hate Clinton as those that would vote for any candidate that ran under the Democratic ticket.


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I don't think either will be their party's nominee.

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We're a full 2 yrs away from the next Pres. election. I don't know how much stock I put in this poll so far out from the actual election. At this point, I think so many people are responding Clinton simply because no one else has stepped forward to start promoting themselves as strongly as she has. I personally would hope to see some people from within the democratic as well as the republican party start surfacing, probably as soon as early '07 to give some new faces and ideas to the race.




I'm being hopelessly optimistic aren't I


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Peter Van Wieren wrote:
I don't think either will be their party's nominee.

I think you're right. I hope you're right.

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If this actually does happen, I predicted this.


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punkdavid wrote:
Peter Van Wieren wrote:
I don't think either will be their party's nominee.

I think you're right. I hope you're right.


Ditto.


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I have said hundreds of times that there's absolutely no way Giuliani ever gets the GOP nomination. Hilliary on the Dems, maybe.

But I agree that it'll likely be a couple of relative no-namers.


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Mitt Romney will be a GOP frontrunner for president. He may even be THE frontrunner.


This is what I heard from some important people. I will reference this post in the next couple of years to show off.

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kusko_andy wrote:
Mitt Romney will be a GOP frontrunner for president. He may even be THE frontrunner.


This is what I heard from some important people. I will reference this post in the next couple of years to show off.


It'll be interesting to see if his being a Mormon is any detriment.


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Green Habit wrote:
kusko_andy wrote:
Mitt Romney will be a GOP frontrunner for president. He may even be THE frontrunner.


This is what I heard from some important people. I will reference this post in the next couple of years to show off.


It'll be interesting to see if his being a Mormon is any detriment.


I know. It's actually crazy to think about. But if all the Dems in Massachusetts think it's okay...

Just so you don't think I'm totally coming out of left field here--- I met the guy at a fishing lodge here in AK a couple of weeks ago (long story about why my dad and I were hob-nobbing with republican big-wigs at a fishing lodge, not really my crowd, but anyway) and he looks, acts, and talks very much like a president. Put him in a room next to GW and you wouldn't believe the difference. He has a commanding, but comfortable presence. I can't say the same for the little 35-year-old Gov. of Missouri.

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Green Habit wrote:
kusko_andy wrote:
Mitt Romney will be a GOP frontrunner for president. He may even be THE frontrunner.


This is what I heard from some important people. I will reference this post in the next couple of years to show off.


It'll be interesting to see if his being a Mormon is any detriment.


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Peter Van Wieren wrote:
I don't think either will be their party's nominee.


I have no idea about the Republican side, (I personally have no problem with Giuliani, other than maybe a lack of experience) but after seeing those numbers, I don't think Hillary will be the Democrat. If 37% support her, that means that about 60% of Dems are absolutely opposed to her. Once Gore and Kerry say that they aren't going to run (which is what I think will happen eventually) some lesser name will overtake Hillary.


Hopefully that lesser name is Russ Feingold.

http://www.russforpresident.com

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the republicans might push another Bush (Jeb)


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Buggy wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
Peter Van Wieren wrote:
I don't think either will be their party's nominee.

I think you're right. I hope you're right.


Ditto.


I agree.


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It's way too early to be picking 2008 presidential candidates.

Nevertheless, Giuliani probably won't get the GOP nomination because he is pro-choice and is pro gay marriage.

Hillary Clinton is a polarizing figure and many believe would get the party nomination but wouldn't win the general election. The party, above all, would want to nominate someone they think will win, so I don't see her getting as far as being the Democratic nominee.

The big question is if Gore will run again. The Republican side is wide open with McCain as the early favorite (to get the nod, that is).


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I'm with the guy who said Russ. I also wouldn't mind an Edwards/Bayh ticket. The Southern charm and Midwestern hickness would be a nice change from that stuck up sonofabitch Kerry.

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Barack Obama would make a solid Democratic nominee as well....but he probably wouldn't make it because he would be perceived as lacking experience being a Junior Senator. Then again so is Hillary, but somehow her life as First Lady figures into her qualifications.


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LeninFlux wrote:
Barack Obama would make a solid Democratic nominee as well....but he probably wouldn't make it because he would be perceived as lacking experience being a Junior Senator. Then again so is Hillary, but somehow her life as First Lady figures into her qualifications.


I'd like to see Barack set himself apart as a leader in the Senate before running for President. Of course, voting records make it tough for ANY Senator to win an election.

I don't much care for Hilary. Even as a far-left liberal, I don't even know if I'd pick her over a McCain or a Gulliani.

I guess I still remain unimpressed by anyone for the 2008 Presidential Election.

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I guess I still remain unimpressed by anyone for the 2008 Presidential Election.

i'd be interested to hear what you (or anyone else for that matter) thinks about the possibility of Gore running

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