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i heard that the US passed up an opportunity to blow up 170 (?) or so of the highest ranking terrorists, many of which were responsible for 9/11... this was on Howard Stern today... too lazy to look up an article, but i was just wondering why we wouldn't be willing to break the rules of engagement in a situation like this and blow the living shit out of em all... again, it was a funeral and apparently that is a "no attack" zone or what have you... i just don't get it... why not blow 'em off the map... we do enough other shit that's "against the rules", so why not this one more to end a lot of our problems... many of these points were made on the show today, but i kind of wanted more insight... did this really happen, for one
oh... and if i missed a thread about this already, please point me in the right direction... thanks.
Pentagon: Release of Taliban Funeral Photo Unauthorized
KABUL, Afghanistan — The U.S. military said Wednesday it is looking into the unauthorized release of a photo purportedly taken by an American drone aircraft showing scores of Taliban militants at a funeral in Afghanistan.
NBC-TV claimed U.S. Army officers wanted to attack the ceremony with missiles carried by the Predator drone, but were prevented under rules of battlefield engagement that bar attacks on cemeteries.
Lt. Tamara Lawrence, a spokeswoman with the U.S. military in Kabul, said the photograph was released to the network by someone who did not have the clearance to hand it out.
"It is an operational security issue and the photo was released at an inappropriate level," Lawrence told The Associated Press. "Inquiries are being made into how it was released."
Lawrence declined to provide further details. It was not clear when the photo was taken nor where the gathering took place.
The grainy black and white photo shows what NBC says are some 190 Taliban militants standing in several rows near a vehicle in an open area of land. The black outline of a box — apparently the sight of the drone — is positioned over the group.
NBC quoted one Army officer who was involved with the spy mission as saying "we were so excited" that the group had been spotted and was in the sights of a U.S. drone. But the network quoted the officer, who was not identified, as saying that frustration soon set in after the officers realized they couldn't bomb the funeral under the military's rules of engagement.
Taliban militants this year have been waging their bloodiest campaign of violence since their 2001 ouster from power in the U.S.-led invasion launched after the Sept. 11 attacks.
The U.S. military has previously used Predator drones with deadly effect, firing one missile into a Pakistani tribal area near the Afghan border in January in a failed bid to kill Al Qaeda deputy Ayman al-Zawahri. The strike killed at least 13 civilians.
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FUCK these stupid little rules. Like the Taliban give a fuck about these "rules".
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FUCK these stupid little rules. Like the Taliban give a fuck about these "rules".
Ah, but don't remember that world consensus and the majority of libs think that it's the United States that is the morally incorrect player in this. They forget that our military has rules of engagement and follows them. I agree...we should have taken that shot when we had the chance. But then again if we did Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch would have branded the US as war criminals. In a way its a no-win situation.
new rule : it is ok to blow people up that are your enemies even when they call time out for a funeral
Yeah, that's a real practical way to fight a war. It will be real comforting to find out that the next car bombing in Afghanistan was perpetrated by one of those in attendance at that funeral.
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LeninFlux wrote:
Yield05 wrote:
new rule : it is ok to blow people up that are your enemies even when they call time out for a funeral
Yeah, that's a real practical way to fight a war. It will be real comforting to find out that the next car bombing in Afghanistan was perpetrated by one of those in attendance at that funeral.
they all look the same so who knows....though we cant bomb a crowd of 100 people cuz one of them might be in the pocket book of some on our payroll.. all of these topics , ALL of them make Americans look like fools for empowering this regime , and the rest who are againts it look like idiots to the rest of the world for speakin up againts it.. We cant win this war let alone all the arguing we do with each other about it.
NEW RULE: you must kill in war when the enemy is looking ONLY
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So if I was bin Laden, I would travel around on a truck with a casket and a few headstones and some mourners, then he could never be killed.
Oh wait, the Bush Administration doesn't really think or care about bin Laden anymore.
Q: But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive?
THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I — I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.
But yeh, if they were in fact taliban, I think the shot needs to be taken.
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So if I was bin Laden, I would travel around on a truck with a casket and a few headstones and some mourners, then he could never be killed.
Oh wait, the Bush Administration doesn't really think or care about bin Laden anymore.
Q: But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive? THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I — I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.
But yeh, if they were in fact taliban, I think the shot needs to be taken.
Press Conference, 9/15/06:
Q Well, recently you've also described bin Laden as a sort of modern day Hitler or Mussolini. And I'm wondering why, if you can explain why you think it's a bad idea to send more resources to hunt down bin Laden, wherever he is?
THE PRESIDENT: We are, Richard. Thank you. Thanks for asking the question. They were asking me about somebody's report, well, special forces here -- Pakistan -- if he is in Pakistan, as this person thought he might be, who is asking the question -- Pakistan is a sovereign nation. In order for us to send thousands of troops into a sovereign nation, we've got to be invited by the government of Pakistan.
Secondly, the best way to find somebody who is hiding is to enhance your intelligence and to spend the resources necessary to do that; then when you find him, you bring him to justice. And there is a kind of an urban myth here in Washington about how this administration hasn't stayed focused on Osama bin Laden. Forget it. It's convenient throw-away lines when people say that. We have been on the hunt, and we'll stay on the hunt until we bring him to justice, and we're doing it in a smart fashion, Richard. We are. And I look forward to talking to President Musharraf.
Look, he doesn't like al Qaeda. They tried to kill him. And we've had a good record of bringing people to justice inside of Pakistan, because the Paks are in the lead. They know the stakes about dealing with a violent form of ideological extremists. And so we will continue on the hunt. And we've been effective about bringing to justice most of those who planned and plotted the 9/11 attacks, and we've still got a lot of pressure on them. The best way to protect the homeland is to stay on the offense and keep pressure on them.
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LeninFlux wrote:
ranting in e-minor wrote:
So if I was bin Laden, I would travel around on a truck with a casket and a few headstones and some mourners, then he could never be killed.
Oh wait, the Bush Administration doesn't really think or care about bin Laden anymore.
Q: But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive? THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I — I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.
But yeh, if they were in fact taliban, I think the shot needs to be taken.
Press Conference, 9/15/06:
Q Well, recently you've also described bin Laden as a sort of modern day Hitler or Mussolini. And I'm wondering why, if you can explain why you think it's a bad idea to send more resources to hunt down bin Laden, wherever he is?
THE PRESIDENT: We are, Richard. Thank you. Thanks for asking the question. They were asking me about somebody's report, well, special forces here -- Pakistan -- if he is in Pakistan, as this person thought he might be, who is asking the question -- Pakistan is a sovereign nation. In order for us to send thousands of troops into a sovereign nation, we've got to be invited by the government of Pakistan.
Secondly, the best way to find somebody who is hiding is to enhance your intelligence and to spend the resources necessary to do that; then when you find him, you bring him to justice. And there is a kind of an urban myth here in Washington about how this administration hasn't stayed focused on Osama bin Laden. Forget it. It's convenient throw-away lines when people say that. We have been on the hunt, and we'll stay on the hunt until we bring him to justice, and we're doing it in a smart fashion, Richard. We are. And I look forward to talking to President Musharraf.
Look, he doesn't like al Qaeda. They tried to kill him. And we've had a good record of bringing people to justice inside of Pakistan, because the Paks are in the lead. They know the stakes about dealing with a violent form of ideological extremists. And so we will continue on the hunt. And we've been effective about bringing to justice most of those who planned and plotted the 9/11 attacks, and we've still got a lot of pressure on them. The best way to protect the homeland is to stay on the offense and keep pressure on them.
Oh, Well if the president says it it must be true.
So if I was bin Laden, I would travel around on a truck with a casket and a few headstones and some mourners, then he could never be killed.
Oh wait, the Bush Administration doesn't really think or care about bin Laden anymore.
Q: But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive? THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I — I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.
But yeh, if they were in fact taliban, I think the shot needs to be taken.
Press Conference, 9/15/06:
Q Well, recently you've also described bin Laden as a sort of modern day Hitler or Mussolini. And I'm wondering why, if you can explain why you think it's a bad idea to send more resources to hunt down bin Laden, wherever he is?
THE PRESIDENT: We are, Richard. Thank you. Thanks for asking the question. They were asking me about somebody's report, well, special forces here -- Pakistan -- if he is in Pakistan, as this person thought he might be, who is asking the question -- Pakistan is a sovereign nation. In order for us to send thousands of troops into a sovereign nation, we've got to be invited by the government of Pakistan.
Secondly, the best way to find somebody who is hiding is to enhance your intelligence and to spend the resources necessary to do that; then when you find him, you bring him to justice. And there is a kind of an urban myth here in Washington about how this administration hasn't stayed focused on Osama bin Laden. Forget it. It's convenient throw-away lines when people say that. We have been on the hunt, and we'll stay on the hunt until we bring him to justice, and we're doing it in a smart fashion, Richard. We are. And I look forward to talking to President Musharraf.
Look, he doesn't like al Qaeda. They tried to kill him. And we've had a good record of bringing people to justice inside of Pakistan, because the Paks are in the lead. They know the stakes about dealing with a violent form of ideological extremists. And so we will continue on the hunt. And we've been effective about bringing to justice most of those who planned and plotted the 9/11 attacks, and we've still got a lot of pressure on them. The best way to protect the homeland is to stay on the offense and keep pressure on them.
Oh, Well if the president says it it must be true.
Two weeks ago Congress authorized 25 million for the new unit that will continue the hunt. So I suppose we're looking at a grand conspiracy to fool the public, eh?
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LeninFlux wrote:
tommymctom wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
ranting in e-minor wrote:
So if I was bin Laden, I would travel around on a truck with a casket and a few headstones and some mourners, then he could never be killed.
Oh wait, the Bush Administration doesn't really think or care about bin Laden anymore.
Q: But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive? THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I — I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.
But yeh, if they were in fact taliban, I think the shot needs to be taken.
Press Conference, 9/15/06:
Q Well, recently you've also described bin Laden as a sort of modern day Hitler or Mussolini. And I'm wondering why, if you can explain why you think it's a bad idea to send more resources to hunt down bin Laden, wherever he is?
THE PRESIDENT: We are, Richard. Thank you. Thanks for asking the question. They were asking me about somebody's report, well, special forces here -- Pakistan -- if he is in Pakistan, as this person thought he might be, who is asking the question -- Pakistan is a sovereign nation. In order for us to send thousands of troops into a sovereign nation, we've got to be invited by the government of Pakistan.
Secondly, the best way to find somebody who is hiding is to enhance your intelligence and to spend the resources necessary to do that; then when you find him, you bring him to justice. And there is a kind of an urban myth here in Washington about how this administration hasn't stayed focused on Osama bin Laden. Forget it. It's convenient throw-away lines when people say that. We have been on the hunt, and we'll stay on the hunt until we bring him to justice, and we're doing it in a smart fashion, Richard. We are. And I look forward to talking to President Musharraf.
Look, he doesn't like al Qaeda. They tried to kill him. And we've had a good record of bringing people to justice inside of Pakistan, because the Paks are in the lead. They know the stakes about dealing with a violent form of ideological extremists. And so we will continue on the hunt. And we've been effective about bringing to justice most of those who planned and plotted the 9/11 attacks, and we've still got a lot of pressure on them. The best way to protect the homeland is to stay on the offense and keep pressure on them.
Oh, Well if the president says it it must be true.
Two weeks ago Congress authorized 25 million for the new unit that will continue the hunt. So I suppose we're looking at a grand conspiracy to fool the public, eh?
WOW... a big 25 million dollars. Come on, that is nothing. The Iraq War is costing about 200 million a day (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11880954/). It is nothing but a drop in the bucket and again will prove fruitless.
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And the night Jeff Buckley died
And the night Kurt Cobain died
And the night John Lennon died
I remember I stayed up to watch the news with everyone
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tommymctom wrote:
LeninFlux wrote:
ranting in e-minor wrote:
So if I was bin Laden, I would travel around on a truck with a casket and a few headstones and some mourners, then he could never be killed.
Oh wait, the Bush Administration doesn't really think or care about bin Laden anymore.
Q: But don't you believe that the threat that bin Laden posed won't truly be eliminated until he is found either dead or alive? THE PRESIDENT: Well, as I say, we haven't heard much from him. And I wouldn't necessarily say he's at the center of any command structure. And, again, I don't know where he is. I — I'll repeat what I said. I truly am not that concerned about him. I know he is on the run. I was concerned about him, when he had taken over a country. I was concerned about the fact that he was basically running Afghanistan and calling the shots for the Taliban.
But yeh, if they were in fact taliban, I think the shot needs to be taken.
Press Conference, 9/15/06:
Q Well, recently you've also described bin Laden as a sort of modern day Hitler or Mussolini. And I'm wondering why, if you can explain why you think it's a bad idea to send more resources to hunt down bin Laden, wherever he is?
THE PRESIDENT: We are, Richard. Thank you. Thanks for asking the question. They were asking me about somebody's report, well, special forces here -- Pakistan -- if he is in Pakistan, as this person thought he might be, who is asking the question -- Pakistan is a sovereign nation. In order for us to send thousands of troops into a sovereign nation, we've got to be invited by the government of Pakistan.
Secondly, the best way to find somebody who is hiding is to enhance your intelligence and to spend the resources necessary to do that; then when you find him, you bring him to justice. And there is a kind of an urban myth here in Washington about how this administration hasn't stayed focused on Osama bin Laden. Forget it. It's convenient throw-away lines when people say that. We have been on the hunt, and we'll stay on the hunt until we bring him to justice, and we're doing it in a smart fashion, Richard. We are. And I look forward to talking to President Musharraf.
Look, he doesn't like al Qaeda. They tried to kill him. And we've had a good record of bringing people to justice inside of Pakistan, because the Paks are in the lead. They know the stakes about dealing with a violent form of ideological extremists. And so we will continue on the hunt. And we've been effective about bringing to justice most of those who planned and plotted the 9/11 attacks, and we've still got a lot of pressure on them. The best way to protect the homeland is to stay on the offense and keep pressure on them.
Oh, Well if the president says it it must be true.[/quote]
O lord, NO!
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That was awful, really, lets talk about missing a golden opportunity.
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LeninFlux wrote:
Hallucination wrote:
FUCK these stupid little rules. Like the Taliban give a fuck about these "rules".
Ah, but don't remember that world consensus and the majority of libs think that it's the United States that is the morally incorrect player in this. They forget that our military has rules of engagement and follows them. I agree...we should have taken that shot when we had the chance. But then again if we did Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch would have branded the US as war criminals. In a way its a no-win situation.
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