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I've heard a lot about the failure of this program and how many, many teachers are against it but I have to be honest here, I don't know much about it or why it's a bad thing. I like this forum because I can get many different opinions on issues so let me know what you guys think the good and the bad are when it comes to this, and why are so many against it?
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it's about as realistic as a democratic iraq, so it really makes complete sense that Dubya would be in favor of it... you know, one of those things that sounds great but is completely fucking impractical
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Cartman wrote:
I've heard a lot about the failure of this program and how many, many teachers are against it but I have to be honest here, I don't know much about it or why it's a bad thing. I like this forum because I can get many different opinions on issues so let me know what you guys think the good and the bad are when it comes to this, and why are so many against it?
There was a Frontline special, or Nova, or someone, about it and how it was not working in Texas, where kids were being kept back to purposefully avoid the test they take at Juniors to validate the program/system. It sounded not only like it was a failure but has led to some pretty shady practises by school systems to maintain certain attendance, drop out rates, and test score levels to maintain and increase federal and/or state funds given to them, all at the expense of the children and an education.
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Some states are suing saying that Bush has set these standards (possibly arbitrary), and given them no money with which to achieve them. You have to institute tests for a baseline, figure out what needs to be better, figure out how to make it better, test your method, evaluate the test results, and then implement the new programs. You can't do that for free, but you have to if you don't want to have all federal funding pulled and given to the rich, white school in the suburbs.
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B wrote:
Some states are suing saying that Bush has set these standards (possibly arbitrary), and given them no money with which to achieve them. You have to institute tests for a baseline, figure out what needs to be better, figure out how to make it better, test your method, evaluate the test results, and then implement the new programs. You can't do that for free, but you have to if you don't want to have all federal funding pulled and given to the rich, white school in the suburbs.
exactly... only in the USofA does it make sense to give money to schools who do well, but not give the grants to schools that score poorly... i mean, how fucked up is that?
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Some states are simply refusing to abide by the NCLB guidelines. Utah, for example. They will more than likely lose their federal funding, but if federal funding is continually cut anyway, what's the point of relying on it? Maybe it should be up to individual state governments to fund their own school systems as they see fit, and not according to some arbitrary standardized test.
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Before we get in some huge pissing match about it, I think it would be useful for someone to find the Act and post the details of it. I'm too lazy, but I'll watch the bitchfest ensue.
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Executive Summary from the Department of Education.
Quote:
These reforms express my deep belief in our public schools and their mission to build the mind and character of every child, from every background, in every part of America.
President George W. Bush January 2001
Three days after taking office in January 2001 as the 43rd President of the United States, George W. Bush announced No Child Left Behind, his framework for bipartisan education reform that he described as "the cornerstone of my Administration." President Bush emphasized his deep belief in our public schools, but an even greater concern that "too many of our neediest children are being left behind," despite the nearly $200 billion in Federal spending since the passage of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 (ESEA). The President called for bipartisan solutions based on accountability, choice, and flexibility in Federal education programs.
Less than a year later, despite the unprecedented challenges of engineering an economic recovery while leading the Nation in the war on terrorism following the events of September 11, President Bush secured passage of the landmark No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 (NCLB Act). The new law reflects a remarkable consensus-first articulated in the President's No Child Left Behind framework-on how to improve the performance of America's elementary and secondary schools while at the same time ensuring that no child is trapped in a failing school.
The NCLB Act, which reauthorizes the ESEA, incorporates the principles and strategies proposed by President Bush. These include increased accountability for States, school districts, and schools; greater choice for parents and students, particularly those attending low-performing schools; more flexibility for States and local educational agencies (LEAs) in the use of Federal education dollars; and a stronger emphasis on reading, especially for our youngest children. Increased Accountability
The NCLB Act will strengthen Title I accountability by requiring States to implement statewide accountability systems covering all public schools and students. These systems must be based on challenging State standards in reading and mathematics, annual testing for all students in grades 3-8, and annual statewide progress objectives ensuring that all groups of students reach proficiency within 12 years. Assessment results and State progress objectives must be broken out by poverty, race, ethnicity, disability, and limited English proficiency to ensure that no group is left behind. School districts and schools that fail to make adequate yearly progress (AYP) toward statewide proficiency goals will, over time, be subject to improvement, corrective action, and restructuring measures aimed at getting them back on course to meet State standards. Schools that meet or exceed AYP objectives or close achievement gaps will be eligible for State Academic Achievement Awards. More Choices for Parents and Students
The NCLB Act significantly increases the choices available to the parents of students attending Title I schools that fail to meet State standards, including immediate relief-beginning with the 2002-03 school year-for students in schools that were previously identified for improvement or corrective action under the 1994 ESEA reauthorization.
LEAs must give students attending schools identified for improvement, corrective action, or restructuring the opportunity to attend a better public school, which may include a public charter school, within the school district. The district must provide transportation to the new school, and must use at least 5 percent of its Title I funds for this purpose, if needed.
For students attending persistently failing schools (those that have failed to meet State standards for at least 3 of the 4 preceding years), LEAs must permit low-income students to use Title I funds to obtain supplemental educational services from the public- or private-sector provider selected by the students and their parents. Providers must meet State standards and offer services tailored to help participating students meet challenging State academic standards.
To help ensure that LEAs offer meaningful choices, the new law requires school districts to spend up to 20 percent of their Title I allocations to provide school choice and supplemental educational services to eligible students.
In addition to helping ensure that no child loses the opportunity for a quality education because he or she is trapped in a failing school, the choice and supplemental service requirements provide a substantial incentive for low-performing schools to improve. Schools that want to avoid losing students-along with the portion of their annual budgets typically associated with those students-will have to improve or, if they fail to make AYP for 5 years, run the risk of reconstitution under a restructuring plan.
Greater Flexibility for States, School Districts, and Schools
One important goal of No Child Left Behind was to breathe new life into the "flexibility for accountability" bargain with States first struck by President George H.W. Bush during his historic 1989 education summit with the Nation's Governors at Charlottesville, Virginia. Prior flexibility efforts have focused on the waiver of program requirements; the NCLB Act moves beyond this limited approach to give States and school districts unprecedented flexibility in the use of Federal education funds in exchange for strong accountability for results.
New flexibility provisions in the NCLB Act include authority for States and LEAs to transfer up to 50 percent of the funding they receive under 4 major State grant programs to any one of the programs, or to Title I. The covered programs include Teacher Quality State Grants, Educational Technology, Innovative Programs, and Safe and Drug-Free Schools.
The new law also includes a competitive State Flexibility Demonstration Program that permits up to 7 States to consolidate the State share of nearly all Federal State grant programs-including Title I, Part A Grants to Local Educational Agencies-while providing additional flexibility in their use of Title V Innovation funds. Participating States must enter into 5-year performance agreements with the Secretary covering the use of the consolidated funds, which may be used for any educational purpose authorized under the ESEA. As part of their plans, States also must enter into up to 10 local performance agreements with LEAs, which will enjoy the same level of flexibility granted under the separate Local Flexibility Demonstration Program.
The new competitive Local Flexibility Demonstration Program would allow up to 80 LEAs, in addition to the 70 LEAs under the State Flexibility Demonstration Program, to consolidate funds received under Teacher Quality State Grants, Educational Technology State Grants, Innovative Programs, and Safe and Drug-Free Schools programs. Participating LEAs would enter into performance agreements with the Secretary of Education, and would be able to use the consolidated funds for any ESEA-authorized purpose.
Putting Reading First
No Child Left Behind stated President Bush's unequivocal commitment to ensuring that every child can read by the end of third grade. To accomplish this goal, the new Reading First initiative would significantly increase the Federal investment in scientifically based reading instruction programs in the early grades. One major benefit of this approach would be reduced identification of children for special education services due to a lack of appropriate reading instruction in their early years.
The NCLB Act fully implements the President's Reading First initiative. The new Reading First State Grant program will make 6-year grants to States, which will make competitive subgrants to local communities. Local recipients will administer screening and diagnostic assessments to determine which students in grades K-3 are at risk of reading failure, and provide professional development for K-3 teachers in the essential components of reading instruction.
The new Early Reading First program will make competitive 6-year awards to LEAs to support early language, literacy, and pre-reading development of preschool-age children, particularly those from low-income families. Recipients will use instructional strategies and professional development drawn from scientifically based reading research to help young children to attain the fundamental knowledge and skills they will need for optimal reading development in kindergarten and beyond.
Other Major Program Changes
The No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 also put the principles of accountability, choice, and flexibility to work in its reauthorization of other major ESEA programs. For example, the new law combines the Eisenhower Professional Development and Class Size Reduction programs into a new Improving Teacher Quality State Grants program that focuses on using practices grounded in scientifically based research to prepare, train, and recruit high-quality teachers. The new program gives States and LEAs flexibility to select the strategies that best meet their particular needs for improved teaching that will help them raise student achievement in the core academic subjects. In return for this flexibility, LEAs are required to demonstrate annual progress in ensuring that all teachers teaching in core academic subjects within the State are highly qualified.
The NCLB Act also simplified Federal support for English language instruction by combining categorical bilingual and immigrant education grants that benefited a small percentage of limited English proficient students in relatively few schools into a State formula program. The new formula program will facilitate the comprehensive planning by States and school districts needed to ensure implementation of programs that benefit all limited English proficient students by helping them learn English and meet the same high academic standards as other students.
Other changes will support State and local efforts to keep our schools safe and drug-free, while at the same time ensuring that students-particularly those who have been victims of violent crimes on school grounds-are not trapped in persistently dangerous schools. As proposed in No Child Left Behind, States must allow students who attend a persistently dangerous school, or who are victims of violent crime at school, to transfer to a safe school. States also must report school safety statistics to the public on a school-by-school basis, and LEAs must use Federal Safe and Drug-Free Schools and Communities funding to implement drug and violence prevention programs of demonstrated effectiveness.
_________________ "Though some may think there should be a separation between art/music and politics, it should be reinforced that art can be a form of nonviolent protest." - e.v.
_________________ "Though some may think there should be a separation between art/music and politics, it should be reinforced that art can be a form of nonviolent protest." - e.v.
There are two sides. First of all, Bush has actually thrown more money at education than just about any other President. With that said, my mother is the asst. superintendent of a local school district. Before that she was principal when this glorious law was passed. The concept is okay... teachers and schools should be accountable for students' performance. Unfortunately, the way the Administration has decided to do this is through testing. And testing ALL students. That means children with learning disabilities, children in special ed, etc. are all included in the scoring system. If a school fails to show improvement in their tests results for three years in a row, the gov't can actually take over the school. That last bit is bad on way too many levels.
_________________ Outside the rain is tapping on the leaves
To me it sounds like they're applauding us
The quiet love we make
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B wrote:
Executive Summary from the Department of Education.
Quote:
These reforms express my deep belief in our public schools and their mission to build the mind and character of every child, from every background, in every part of America.
President George W. Bush January 2001
Three days after taking office in January 2001 as the 43rd President of the United States, George W. Bush announced No Child Left Behind, his framework for bipartisan education reform that he described as "the cornerstone of my Administration." President Bush emphasized his deep belief in our public schools, but an even greater concern that "too many of our neediest children are being left behind," despite the nearly $200 billion in Federal spending since the passage of the Elementary and Secondary Education Act of 1965 (ESEA). The President called for bipartisan solutions based on accountability, choice, and flexibility in Federal education programs.
Less than a year later, despite the unprecedented challenges of engineering an economic recovery while leading the Nation in the war on terrorism following the events of September 11, President Bush secured passage of the landmark No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 (NCLB Act). The new law reflects a remarkable consensus-first articulated in the President's No Child Left Behind framework-on how to improve the performance of America's elementary and secondary schools while at the same time ensuring that no child is trapped in a failing school.
The NCLB Act, which reauthorizes the ESEA, incorporates the principles and strategies proposed by President Bush. These include increased accountability for States, school districts, and schools; greater choice for parents and students, particularly those attending low-performing schools; more flexibility for States and local educational agencies (LEAs) in the use of Federal education dollars; and a stronger emphasis on reading, especially for our youngest children. Increased Accountability
The NCLB Act will strengthen Title I accountability by requiring States to implement statewide accountability systems covering all public schools and students. These systems must be based on challenging State standards in reading and mathematics, annual testing for all students in grades 3-8, and annual statewide progress objectives ensuring that all groups of students reach proficiency within 12 years. Assessment results and State progress objectives must be broken out by poverty, race, ethnicity, disability, and limited English proficiency to ensure that no group is left behind. School districts and schools that fail to make adequate yearly progress (AYP) toward statewide proficiency goals will, over time, be subject to improvement, corrective action, and restructuring measures aimed at getting them back on course to meet State standards. Schools that meet or exceed AYP objectives or close achievement gaps will be eligible for State Academic Achievement Awards. More Choices for Parents and Students
The NCLB Act significantly increases the choices available to the parents of students attending Title I schools that fail to meet State standards, including immediate relief-beginning with the 2002-03 school year-for students in schools that were previously identified for improvement or corrective action under the 1994 ESEA reauthorization.
LEAs must give students attending schools identified for improvement, corrective action, or restructuring the opportunity to attend a better public school, which may include a public charter school, within the school district. The district must provide transportation to the new school, and must use at least 5 percent of its Title I funds for this purpose, if needed.
For students attending persistently failing schools (those that have failed to meet State standards for at least 3 of the 4 preceding years), LEAs must permit low-income students to use Title I funds to obtain supplemental educational services from the public- or private-sector provider selected by the students and their parents. Providers must meet State standards and offer services tailored to help participating students meet challenging State academic standards.
To help ensure that LEAs offer meaningful choices, the new law requires school districts to spend up to 20 percent of their Title I allocations to provide school choice and supplemental educational services to eligible students.
In addition to helping ensure that no child loses the opportunity for a quality education because he or she is trapped in a failing school, the choice and supplemental service requirements provide a substantial incentive for low-performing schools to improve. Schools that want to avoid losing students-along with the portion of their annual budgets typically associated with those students-will have to improve or, if they fail to make AYP for 5 years, run the risk of reconstitution under a restructuring plan.
Greater Flexibility for States, School Districts, and Schools
One important goal of No Child Left Behind was to breathe new life into the "flexibility for accountability" bargain with States first struck by President George H.W. Bush during his historic 1989 education summit with the Nation's Governors at Charlottesville, Virginia. Prior flexibility efforts have focused on the waiver of program requirements; the NCLB Act moves beyond this limited approach to give States and school districts unprecedented flexibility in the use of Federal education funds in exchange for strong accountability for results.
New flexibility provisions in the NCLB Act include authority for States and LEAs to transfer up to 50 percent of the funding they receive under 4 major State grant programs to any one of the programs, or to Title I. The covered programs include Teacher Quality State Grants, Educational Technology, Innovative Programs, and Safe and Drug-Free Schools.
The new law also includes a competitive State Flexibility Demonstration Program that permits up to 7 States to consolidate the State share of nearly all Federal State grant programs-including Title I, Part A Grants to Local Educational Agencies-while providing additional flexibility in their use of Title V Innovation funds. Participating States must enter into 5-year performance agreements with the Secretary covering the use of the consolidated funds, which may be used for any educational purpose authorized under the ESEA. As part of their plans, States also must enter into up to 10 local performance agreements with LEAs, which will enjoy the same level of flexibility granted under the separate Local Flexibility Demonstration Program.
The new competitive Local Flexibility Demonstration Program would allow up to 80 LEAs, in addition to the 70 LEAs under the State Flexibility Demonstration Program, to consolidate funds received under Teacher Quality State Grants, Educational Technology State Grants, Innovative Programs, and Safe and Drug-Free Schools programs. Participating LEAs would enter into performance agreements with the Secretary of Education, and would be able to use the consolidated funds for any ESEA-authorized purpose.
Putting Reading First
No Child Left Behind stated President Bush's unequivocal commitment to ensuring that every child can read by the end of third grade. To accomplish this goal, the new Reading First initiative would significantly increase the Federal investment in scientifically based reading instruction programs in the early grades. One major benefit of this approach would be reduced identification of children for special education services due to a lack of appropriate reading instruction in their early years.
The NCLB Act fully implements the President's Reading First initiative. The new Reading First State Grant program will make 6-year grants to States, which will make competitive subgrants to local communities. Local recipients will administer screening and diagnostic assessments to determine which students in grades K-3 are at risk of reading failure, and provide professional development for K-3 teachers in the essential components of reading instruction.
The new Early Reading First program will make competitive 6-year awards to LEAs to support early language, literacy, and pre-reading development of preschool-age children, particularly those from low-income families. Recipients will use instructional strategies and professional development drawn from scientifically based reading research to help young children to attain the fundamental knowledge and skills they will need for optimal reading development in kindergarten and beyond.
Other Major Program Changes
The No Child Left Behind Act of 2001 also put the principles of accountability, choice, and flexibility to work in its reauthorization of other major ESEA programs. For example, the new law combines the Eisenhower Professional Development and Class Size Reduction programs into a new Improving Teacher Quality State Grants program that focuses on using practices grounded in scientifically based research to prepare, train, and recruit high-quality teachers. The new program gives States and LEAs flexibility to select the strategies that best meet their particular needs for improved teaching that will help them raise student achievement in the core academic subjects. In return for this flexibility, LEAs are required to demonstrate annual progress in ensuring that all teachers teaching in core academic subjects within the State are highly qualified.
The NCLB Act also simplified Federal support for English language instruction by combining categorical bilingual and immigrant education grants that benefited a small percentage of limited English proficient students in relatively few schools into a State formula program. The new formula program will facilitate the comprehensive planning by States and school districts needed to ensure implementation of programs that benefit all limited English proficient students by helping them learn English and meet the same high academic standards as other students.
Other changes will support State and local efforts to keep our schools safe and drug-free, while at the same time ensuring that students-particularly those who have been victims of violent crimes on school grounds-are not trapped in persistently dangerous schools. As proposed in No Child Left Behind, States must allow students who attend a persistently dangerous school, or who are victims of violent crime at school, to transfer to a safe school. States also must report school safety statistics to the public on a school-by-school basis, and LEAs must use Federal Safe and Drug-Free Schools and Communities funding to implement drug and violence prevention programs of demonstrated effectiveness.
let's try and remember how great he thought his plan for iraq sounded too
Some states are suing saying that Bush has set these standards (possibly arbitrary), and given them no money with which to achieve them. You have to institute tests for a baseline, figure out what needs to be better, figure out how to make it better, test your method, evaluate the test results, and then implement the new programs. You can't do that for free, but you have to if you don't want to have all federal funding pulled and given to the rich, white school in the suburbs.
I agree with what you've said in principal but how could any school system not be doing baseline testing every year to begin with. That should be part of every school's annual review. Much like companies create financial statements. The fact that some schools stopped doing this just goes to show how off track they've gotten.
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Outsider wrote:
There are two sides. First of all, Bush has actually thrown more money at education than just about any other President. With that said, my mother is the asst. superintendent of a local school district. Before that she was principal when this glorious law was passed. The concept is okay... teachers and schools should be accountable for students' performance. Unfortunately, the way the Administration has decided to do this is through testing. And testing ALL students. That means children with learning disabilities, children in special ed, etc. are all included in the scoring system. If a school fails to show improvement in their tests results for three years in a row, the gov't can actually take over the school. That last bit is bad on way too many levels.
yeah... so say i work in a district where the kids are impoverished, have crack-smoking daddies, and don't give two shits for school (though it's hard to argue with a kid not taking school seriously, i mean, we've all been there)... so how well is this plan going to work then... sure, it can benefit the schools that are already better to no end... but it does nothing for the bottom of the barrel... and i mean nothing... oh, and this is exactly the type of school i teach at, where nearly a fifth of the students are LD or BD (and those are just the ones that have been tested)
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tyler wrote:
B wrote:
Some states are suing saying that Bush has set these standards (possibly arbitrary), and given them no money with which to achieve them. You have to institute tests for a baseline, figure out what needs to be better, figure out how to make it better, test your method, evaluate the test results, and then implement the new programs. You can't do that for free, but you have to if you don't want to have all federal funding pulled and given to the rich, white school in the suburbs.
I agree with what you've said in principal but how could any school system not be doing baseline testing every year to begin with. That should be part of every school's annual review. Much like companies create financial statements. The fact that some schools stopped doing this just goes to show how off track they've gotten.
That's what fuel's Bush's shit so well. Many school don't do what would be considered good business practices. They do what has always worked. Maybe it does work, but they can't prove it to Bush. Thusly, they're saying, we can't prove it unless you give us the money to prove it.
_________________ "Though some may think there should be a separation between art/music and politics, it should be reinforced that art can be a form of nonviolent protest." - e.v.
There are two sides. First of all, Bush has actually thrown more money at education than just about any other President. With that said, my mother is the asst. superintendent of a local school district. Before that she was principal when this glorious law was passed. The concept is okay... teachers and schools should be accountable for students' performance. Unfortunately, the way the Administration has decided to do this is through testing. And testing ALL students. That means children with learning disabilities, children in special ed, etc. are all included in the scoring system. If a school fails to show improvement in their tests results for three years in a row, the gov't can actually take over the school. That last bit is bad on way too many levels.
yeah... so say i work in a district where the kids are impoverished, have crack-smoking daddies, and don't give two shits for school (though it's hard to argue with a kid not taking school seriously, i mean, we've all been there)... so how well is this plan going to work then... sure, it can benefit the schools that are already better to no end... but it does nothing for the bottom of the barrel... and i mean nothing... oh, and this is exactly the type of school i teach at, where nearly a fifth of the students are LD or BD (and those are just the ones that have been tested)
Agreed. But the argument on the other end is that if the school can't make these students perform, then they are given the choice (See School Voucher program... What a mess.) to go to another school that has the materials and environment that would help them to succeed. Nobody seems to recognize that when you're pulling tax dollars from an already impovrished school, you're actually making the situation there WORSE. Not to mention the new school that the child wants to go to has to bear the burden of transporting that child from their home to school. An expense which can be outrageously high.
_________________ Outside the rain is tapping on the leaves
To me it sounds like they're applauding us
The quiet love we make
That's what fuel's Bush's shit so well. Many school don't do what would be considered good business practices. They do what has always worked. Maybe it does work, but they can't prove it to Bush. Thusly, they're saying, we can't prove it unless you give us the money to prove it.
But if it's part of good business practices they should have room in their budget for it. It is a necessary part of being a school. The fact that some schools thought they could be good school without implementing basic practices is more interesting. And this from supposedly learned people.
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tyler wrote:
B wrote:
That's what fuel's Bush's shit so well. Many school don't do what would be considered good business practices. They do what has always worked. Maybe it does work, but they can't prove it to Bush. Thusly, they're saying, we can't prove it unless you give us the money to prove it.
But if it's part of good business practices they should have room in their budget for it. It is a necessary part of being a school. The fact that some schools thought they could be good school without implementing basic practices is more interesting. And this from supposedly learned people.
That's what I'm saying. It's not a necessary part of being a school It's a necessary part of objectively proving that you're a good school.
A lot of schools have operated since the existence of schools without ever putting thier procedure to the test. It might be a great system, but these schools don't have the tools to scientifically prove that.
_________________ "Though some may think there should be a separation between art/music and politics, it should be reinforced that art can be a form of nonviolent protest." - e.v.
I truly think the intent was noble. It's not like Bush is setting out to destroy American schools. He thinks that by doing this, schools will get better. The problem is that when you put the rubber to the road, the program simply does not work. Significant changes must be made.
_________________ Outside the rain is tapping on the leaves
To me it sounds like they're applauding us
The quiet love we make
That's what I'm saying. It's not a necessary part of being a school It's a necessary part of objectively proving that you're a good school.
A lot of schools have operated since the existence of schools without ever putting thier procedure to the test. It might be a great system, but these schools don't have the tools to scientifically prove that.
I disagree with you here. I think it is part of being a school. Schools that don't baseline test and then think they're good are like the kid who's never looked in the mirror. Then goes around saying he's the most handsome of all because his mommy tells him so. Nice sentiment but it's not based on fact.
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