Researchers from Cornell University said they have discovered a link between TV watching and autism.
The authors looked at county-by-county information on when cable TV entered an area, as well as precipitation rates.
The analysis showed that children from rainy counties watch more television and that areas with high precipitation also had higher autism rates.
"The analysis shows that early childhood television viewing could be an environmental trigger for the onset of autism and strongly points to the need for more research by experts in the field of autism," said Michael Waldman, a professor of economics at Cornell's Johnson Graduate School of Management.
A news release from Cornell reported that the autism rate was 1 in 2,500 children 30 years ago, but has increased to as high as 1 in 166 as TV viewing has increased.
The authors looked at indirect views such as weather and cable penetration rates because there was no data to track autism against how much time children spend watching TV.
"Our analysis is not definitive, but it certainly raises questions that seem to have gone unasked in autism research to date," said Sean Nicholson, an associate professor of policy analysis and management at Cornell.
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Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 3:12 am
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The analysis showed that children from rainy counties watch more television and that areas with high precipitation also had higher autism rates.
correlation does not equate to causation. hopefully this is just bad journalism, because that's an awfully unscientific sentence.
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and i thought blaming autism on childhood immunizations was a weirdo theory.
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Is this like "More people eat ice cream in the summer. More people drown around the same time. So ice cream causes drowning." argument?
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Post subject: Re: More Rain = More TV, More Rain = More Autism, so....
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 1:53 pm
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The analysis showed that children from rainy counties watch more television and that areas with high precipitation also had higher autism rates.
correlation does not equate to causation. hopefully this is just bad journalism, because that's an awfully unscientific sentence.
(a) Rain can cause children to watch more TV. There may be some causation involved, although there are other factors involved, such the child's creativity to find something else to do.
(b) TV could be a cause of autism. There may be a causative relationship there.
So, by the transitive property, rain can have a causative relationship to autism, based on whether rain has a causative relationship to children watching TV and whether watching TV has a causative relationship to autism.
B wrote:
Is this like "More people eat ice cream in the summer. More people drown around the same time. So ice cream causes drowning." argument?
No, it would be more like, "More people go swimming after eating ice cream. And more people who swim drown."
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maybe somebody ought to look into what is in that rain, i.e. pollutants that retard development.
and maybe somebody ought start flogging the parents who let their kids watch tv all day when it is raining.
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and i thought blaming autism on childhood immunizations was a weirdo theory.
I know, seriously. of COURSE every Autistic child had immunizations. EVERY child has immunizations. Might as well yell that diapers are the cause of Autism.
For the record, I watched a LOT ot TV as a baby. PBS basically raised me. I am not Autistic.
U.S. researchers said on Monday they had identified a genetic mutation that raises the risk of autism and could also explain some of the other symptoms seen in children with autism.
Although autism and similar disorders can clearly run in families, theirs is the first study to find a definitive genetic link to the disorder, which affects as many as 1 in 175 U.S. children.
Dr. Pat Levitt and colleagues at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tennessee, studied 743 families in which 1,200 family members were affected by autism spectrum disorders, which range from fully disabling autism to Asperger's syndrome.
They found a single mutation in a gene called MET, which is known to be involved in brain development, regulation of the immune system and repair of the gastrointestinal system. All of these systems can be affected in children with autism.
"This is a vulnerability gene," Levitt said in a telephone interview. "There are not genes that actually cause autism. It raises the risk."
People with two copies of the mutated gene have 2 to 2.5 times the normal risk of autism and people with one mutated copy have 1.7 times the risk, he said.
The findings, published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, offer a way to start looking for the actual causes of autism, Levitt said.
Autism can cause a range of symptoms, from fairly mild social dysfunction to severe and disabling learning and social impairments.
Researchers knew it could run in families, but the cause has been unknown. Children are usually diagnosed as toddlers, with parents often describing a sudden regression in abilities and behavior. There is no known cure.
Levitt said the mutation does not change the function of the gene, but changes gene expression -- how active the gene is.
Levitt says his team will now try to make a rat or a mouse with the same genetic mutation and use it to study what in the environment might cause autism in people with the mutation.
"It may be more than one thing," Levitt said.
"Let's say it is exposure to some chemical. It is a long list of everything from food additives to mercury to fertilizers. This will help."
QUESTIONS ABOUT VACCINES
Levitt said his study may help answer questions about links between vaccines and autism.
Experts virtually all agree that vaccines do not cause autism but some parents remain mistrustful. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has launched a series of studies into the potential causes of autism.
In a second study, a team at Cornell University and Indiana University-Purdue University found that television viewing may be a factor among American children.
Michael Waldman of Cornell University and colleagues found that children from rainy U.S. counties watch more television and autism rates corresponded with this pattern.
"The analysis shows that early childhood television viewing could be an environmental trigger for the onset of autism and strongly points to the need for more research by experts in the field of autism," said Waldman, who will present his findings on Friday to a conference of the National Bureau of Economic Research.
A third team of researchers found that the brain regions of adults with autism may not communicate with each other as efficiently as they do in other people.
Michael Murias and colleagues at the University of Washington used high-resolution electroencephalography or EEG to find patterns of abnormal connectivity between brain regions in 36 people with autism.
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I don't understand why this gets an .
TV for young kids is best in very small doses. I'm pretty sure there are also some studies linking extensive TV before age 2 to ADHD behavioral problems as well.
We've pretty much bent over backwards to make sure ours don't watch any before age 2 and what they watch after is in small doses and educational in nature (plus football/basketball/baseball )
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From what i know, the person borns autist, and i dont think there is a tv inside the utero.
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Post subject: Re: More Rain = More TV, More Rain = More Autism, so....
Posted: Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:15 pm
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$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
So, by the transitive property, rain can have a causative relationship to autism, based on whether rain has a causative relationship to children watching TV and whether watching TV has a causative relationship to autism.
Right, I understand that, but just because there is a higher incidence of autism where kids watch more tv, doesn't mean one causes the other.
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People are desperately reaching for any cause for autism, and often accept inane scientific-esque arguments. I firmly believe that the prevalence of autism hasn't skyrocketed, just the methods for diagnosing have increased.
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 12:50 am
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$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
B wrote:
Is this like "More people eat ice cream in the summer. More people drown around the same time. So ice cream causes drowning." argument?
No, it would be more like, "More people go swimming after eating ice cream. And more people who swim drown."
Actually, it's that eating ice cream and swimming are not related to each other at all, but are actually related to summer which causes a surge in ice cream and a surge in drownings.
Go back to sociology class. Do not pass go.
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People are desperately reaching for any cause for autism, and often accept inane scientific-esque arguments. I firmly believe that the prevalence of autism hasn't skyrocketed, just the methods for diagnosing have increased.
I believe you are mostly right, and that makes you the winner of this thread so far. I suspect autism is also overdiagnosed because it's in news and is broad enough to cover many developmental disorders that doctors can't easily diagnose in our get-em-in and get-em-out HMO healthcare system.
Though I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to believe that if a kid watchs the same movie twice a day for months when they are like three years old that it conditions their brain differently then the more random stimulus of playing outside.
I wonder if anyone has done a study about autism rates and dog ownership. If it's question of environmental triggers to genes, perhaps the interaction with a pet like a dog would slow the onset due to the randomness of the pet's behavior. For more ramblings stay tuned!
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Whatever the cause, it is clear that children with autism and PDD are born with the disorder or born with the potential to develop it. Bad parenting does not cause it. It is not a mental illness. Children with autism are not unruly kids who choose not to behave. Furthermore, no known psychological factors in the development of a child have been shown to cause autism.
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 2:10 am
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B wrote:
$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
B wrote:
Is this like "More people eat ice cream in the summer. More people drown around the same time. So ice cream causes drowning." argument?
No, it would be more like, "More people go swimming after eating ice cream. And more people who swim drown."
Actually, it's that eating ice cream and swimming are not related to each other at all, but are actually related to summer which causes a surge in ice cream and a surge in drownings.
Go back to sociology class. Do not pass go.
I was just drawing an analogy to the rain/autism argument. I was simply pointing out that the rain/autism conclusion is based on transitivity rather than simple correlation of data.
Correlation implies Causation: When A is true, B is true, so A must be the cause of B. ("More people eat ice cream in the summer. More people drown around the same time. So ice cream causes drowning.")
Transitivity: When A is true, B is true, and when B is true, C is true. Thus, when A is true, C must be true. ("More people go swimming after eating ice cream. And more people who swim drown.")
The rain/autism conjecture relies on both A -> B and B -> C, and as laura mentioned, the validity of the argument can be simplified to whether TV causes autism (and whether rain causes kids to watch TV), rather than whether rain causes autism; and in order to disprove the argument A -> C, one must disprove A -> B or B -> C.
Go back to discrete math class.
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