http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/076792 ... e&n=283155



This book comes out on September 26. I am hereby reserving this thread so that when this day comes, I will eagerly get the book, and then even more eagerly attack each and every position that O'Reilly will put forth, and write up a small dissertation on that dissent right here in this thread. Obviously, I've heard him rant about this frequently, and I shake my head every time, so I have an idea what to expect.

I'm sure that we'll all have a lot of fun in here when it is time.

What kind of culture is Bill O'Reily defending anyway?

:grumbles:

I can't wait

the 'we're going to tell you the way to right way to live and that's the bottom line' culture.

GH, do you learn anything from O'Reilly? I don't understand why someone who leans to the left would watch his show and take the time to pick apart his book.

Christmas.

I think I dedicated a thread to this once. Or at least hijacjed a thread and turned it into this.

By the way, I'm not sure GH leans left. He's into small government and less regulation... of pretty much everything. I think that makes him neo-liberal in the classic sense of the term.

Don't try and put labels on me--it'll just force people to make assumptions that may be wrong.

Anyhoo, I started watching O'Reilly somewhere around 2000, and just stuck with it over the years for a few reasons. It's good to listen to people you disagree with (this might be O'Reilly or a guest he has). O'Reilly has made himself a very powerful presence in the media, like it or lump it. By listening to so many shows, I have a good idea of his POV, and how consistent he can stay with that.

And yeah, Shades covered all this in at least one other thread elsewhere. This and the topic of who the Texans should have drafted were/are contentious issues for us.

One week away folks.

In the meantime, feel free to scoff at this quiz:

http://www.billoreilly.com/quiz?action= ... cwtest.jsp

I thought the World's Smallest Political Quiz was the most simplistic quiz ever made, but this one takes the cake.

And Question 1 doesn't even belong in the "culture war"--he's tried to lump this in before, and I can't wait to see how he tries to justify it.

I'm an S-P.

I have no idea what the fuck that means, but I'm pretty sure it's better than being a 'cultural warrior'. lol

I'm a S-P that has not committed to 'either side.'

I got, "You lean heavily towards being a traditional warrior."

Well, I got - "You have some traditional beliefs, but have not committed to either side."

I get into a lot of Bill's segments, but I don't buy into his "culture war" construct. Bill will most likely say in his book that the "traditional" values that made America great are under assault by, as he calls them, "secular-progressives." In other words, his Catholic Values are no longer the popular view.....and they shouldn't be, nor should any based on a specific religion.

I'll be interested in reading your critique, Green Habit. Personally, I won't be reading "Culture Warrior."

The cover makes one think that this is his autobiography. As bad as the Bill in a windbreaker photo cover is, at least he didn't dress up in camo and a helmet and paint his face in camo paint.

On a side note - what is the obsession with American culture with all things war? Culture war....war on illiteracy....war on drugs....war on prostitution....war against AIDS. Everything is a war.

:still grumbling:

Yeah, and that's part of the reason why I hope to do this, because I'm guessing that this is not going to be a good book at all, and I'll take a bullet for the rest of you.



Tell me about it. Unhealthy obsession with war, maybe?

In my view this is obstinate thinking. Who cares where the "popular view" comes from. I'd rather look at what that "popular view" is proposing. To want to dismiss a "popular view" just because it is based on a aspecific religion is extremely short sighted.

Well, this is just my opinion, but I do care where the popular view comes from, because I don't want any laws explained to me with the use of Biblical verse. What makes the country so great is that people are free to practice the religion of their choosing. Now, I see your point in saying that if the popular view is that abortion should be illegal, then it doesn't matter on one level where that view derives. On the other hand, it becomes a dangerous thing when intolerance and laws are established based on a majority religion. If you've ever watched Bill's show, you'll see the opposite of this. He believes that, like it or not, this country was founded by Christians and today is a majority Christian country, therefore any department store that refuses to hang banners that say "Merry Christmas" are wrong because the "secular-progressives" are hijacking the morals and values of the country. Last time I checked, values and morality were left up to the individual.
That being said, you are correct in stating that, say, theft, shouldn't be dismissed because most people took that cue from the Bible. Then again, I don't need religion to know that stealing is bad and I don't want the 10 Commandments shoved in my face as a rationale for laws against stealing.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2465303&page=3

"To the surprise of some observers, O'Reilly believes Bill Clinton's presidency was a success.

'Brilliant. I think he did a good job as president,' O'Reilly said. 'Had a little problem with the honesty deal. And that gave me pause. But his presidency was successful.' "


Uh-oh. Looks like Bill's gettin' a little PC on us.

Weren't the entire first 4 years of his show devoted to telling us what a douchebag Clinton was?

How long did he spend on the Marc Rich story?

i'd like to see ann coulter have bill o'reilly's baby. i think it might look something like this:



but they say real beauty's on the inside... oops! i guess they're fucked either way.