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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 4:31 pm 
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i wish i could link the page, but its a video on cnn.com

basically, some 14 year old girl in sacramento made a Kill Bush page and the Secret Service got wind of it. they went to her house where he mom informed them that she was in school, and before the girl could get home, she was pulled from class.

the ironic thing is, the parents and girl are saying they were harsh on her, that the need not be so mean and intimidating with her.

the father said something along the lines of, you see this girl and you know shes not a threat, be nice to her

im sure the two numbskulls from columbine, before columbine, looked non-threatening too. and of course they threw in the ol, the government is watching everything you do comment.

id have loved to seen video of the girl bawling her eyes out

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Secret Service questions teen over Web threats
California girl quizzed over threats to Bush she posted on MySpace page


Updated: 4:38 a.m. ET Oct 14, 2006
SACRAMENTO, Calif. - Upset by the war in Iraq, Julia Wilson vented her frustrations with President Bush last spring on her Web page on MySpace.com.

She posted a picture of the president, scrawled “Kill Bush” across the top and drew a dagger stabbing his outstretched hand. She later replaced her page on the social-networking site after learning in her eighth-grade history class that such threats are a federal offense.

It was too late.

Federal authorities had found the page and placed Wilson on their checklist. They finally reached her this week in her molecular biology class.

The 14-year-old freshman was taken out of class Wednesday and questioned for about 15 minutes by two Secret Service agents. The incident has upset her parents, who said the agents should have included them when they questioned their daughter.

On Friday, the teenager said the agents’ questioning led her to tears.

“I wasn’t dangerous. I mean, look at what’s (stenciled) on my backpack — it’s a heart. I’m a very peace-loving person,” said Wilson, an honor student who describes herself as politically passionate. “I’m against the war in Iraq. I’m not going to kill the president.”

Her mother, Kirstie Wilson, said two agents showed up at the family’s home Wednesday afternoon, questioned her and promised to return once her daughter was home from school.

After they left, Kirstie Wilson sent a text message to her daughter’s cell phone, telling her to come straight home: “There are two men from the secret service that want to talk with you. Apparently you made some death threats against president bush.”

“Are you serious!?!? omg. Am I in a lot of trouble?” her daughter responded.

‘They yelled a lot’
Moments later, Kirstie Wilson received another text message from her daughter saying agents had pulled her out of class.

Julia Wilson said the agents threatened her by saying she could be sent to juvenile hall for making the threat.

“They yelled at me a lot,” she said. “They were unnecessarily mean.”

Spokesmen for the Secret Service in Sacramento and Washington, D.C., said they could not comment on the case.

Parents unhappy with questioning
Wilson and her parents said the agents were justified in questioning her over her MySpace.com posting. But they said they believe agents went too far by not waiting until she was out of school.

They also said the agents should have more quickly figured out they weren’t dealing with a real danger. Ultimately, the agents told the teen they would delete her investigation file.

Assistant Principal Paul Belluomini said the agents gave him the impression the girl’s mother knew they were planning to question her daughter at school. There is no legal requirement that parents be notified.

“This has been an ongoing problem,” said Ann Brick, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union in San Francisco.

Former Govs. Pete Wilson and Gray Davis vetoed bills that would have required that parents give consent or be present when their children are questioned at school by law enforcement officers. A similar bill this year cleared the state Senate but died in the Assembly.

Julia Wilson plans to post a new MySpace.com page, this one devoted to organizing other students to protest the Iraq war.

“I decided today I think I will because it (the questioning) went too far,” she said.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15258484/

I don't know that she needed to be pulled out of class, and I'd be curious if she was questioned w/o her parents present. But I hardly feel sorry for someone who got questioned about a Kill Bush website. Welcome to the world, cops are dicks.

However, there's plenty of stories of the Secret Service wasting time questioning people making non-threatening, anti-bush statements. Here's two I've caught in local news.

http://www.progressive.org/mag_mc100405
http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,55838,00.html

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Meh, I'm not at all concerned about this reaction. Stupid people shouldn't post stupid political things on the interweb. If you aren't going to say anything that will add to the public discourse, don't say anything at all. To summarize: people need to stop bitching about how evil Bush is and how he should die and instead inform themselves and engage in the political process. Thank you, I will step off of my soapbox now.


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simple schoolboy wrote:
Stupid people shouldn't post stupid political things on the interweb. If you aren't going to say anything that will add to the public discourse, don't say anything at all.


so I guess 14-year-olds should be banned from the Internet altogether?

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simple schoolboy wrote:
Stupid people shouldn't post stupid political things on the interweb. If you aren't going to say anything that will add to the public discourse, don't say anything at all.

so I guess 14-year-olds should be banned from the Internet altogether?


As well as their constitutional rights?


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Buggy wrote:
kusko_andy wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
Stupid people shouldn't post stupid political things on the interweb. If you aren't going to say anything that will add to the public discourse, don't say anything at all.

so I guess 14-year-olds should be banned from the Internet altogether?


As well as their constitutional rights?


Death threats are protected speech?


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simple schoolboy wrote:
Buggy wrote:
kusko_andy wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
Stupid people shouldn't post stupid political things on the interweb. If you aren't going to say anything that will add to the public discourse, don't say anything at all.

so I guess 14-year-olds should be banned from the Internet altogether?


As well as their constitutional rights?


Death threats are protected speech?


I'm going to kill you.


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Buggy wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
Buggy wrote:
kusko_andy wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
Stupid people shouldn't post stupid political things on the interweb. If you aren't going to say anything that will add to the public discourse, don't say anything at all.

so I guess 14-year-olds should be banned from the Internet altogether?


As well as their constitutional rights?


Death threats are protected speech?


I'm going to kill you.


Pfft, everyone here knows you're a hippy. You live in Santa Cruz for crissakes! :wink:


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15 minutes was unnecessarily mean?

were any school officals present? was she questioned in the hall or in an empty classsroom? did the agents walk in and not announce themselves to the principal? what did the teacher do when presumably 2 secret service agents walked into his/her classroom?

something stinks about this story.

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kiddo wrote:
15 minutes was unnecessarily mean?

were any school officals present? was she questioned in the hall or in an empty classsroom? did the agents walk in and not announce themselves to the principal? what did the teacher do when presumably 2 secret service agents walked into his/her classroom?

something stinks about this story.


i completely agree, and what stinks is these parents and girl think the Secret Service were too harsh on her

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15 minutes was unnecessarily mean?

were any school officals present? was she questioned in the hall or in an empty classsroom? did the agents walk in and not announce themselves to the principal? what did the teacher do when presumably 2 secret service agents walked into his/her classroom?

something stinks about this story.


i completely agree, and what stinks is these parents and girl think the Secret Service were too harsh on her


her parents are probably the ones who put the 'kill bush' thoughts into her head

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Is there any creature on earth stupider than a 14 year-old girl?

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Is there any creature on earth stupider than a 14 year-old girl?


Is pete a girl?


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punkdavid wrote:
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Is there any creature on earth stupider than a 14 year-old girl?


Is pete a girl?

I haven't checked under the hood.

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punkdavid wrote:
Buggy wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Is there any creature on earth stupider than a 14 year-old girl?


Is pete a girl?

I haven't checked under the hood.


i think thats an insult to girls everywhere, though i am sure pete sucks more than all girls put together

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I don't know how much "Big Brother" applies. It's not like she was writing in her private diary. She was posting on the World Wide Web.

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Is it against the law to say, "I hope so and so dies." Or is it only illegal when you actually threaten someone.

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Is it against the law to say, "I hope so and so dies." Or is it only illegal when you actually threaten someone.


It's legal to wish death on someone. The only thing keeping me from wishing Bush would die is his successors. It might even be legal to say you think someone should kill the president, but if you say that ... you should expect a visit from the secret service.

Matter of fact, I expect a visit soon, both for what I just posted and for the Google searches I made in an attempt to answer your question. :cry:

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