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70 percent of Americans think these gains have come at an "unacceptable" cost in military casualties.
I know "unacceptable" is a subjective term, but the very nature of war assures that there will be casualties. The number of American casualties is low compared to other wars, but still, I hope some people realize that all war will have very serious consequences.
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This led 56 percent to conclude that, given the cost, the conflict there was "not worth fighting" -- an eight-point increase from when the same question was asked this summer, and the first time a decisive majority of people have reached this conclusion.
To me, it's merely academic at this point as to argue whether the war was "worth it" or not. The fact is, we went to war, and now we need to concentrate on how to end this war with the best result for both our people and people involved in the conflict.
Which leads to this big one:
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A full 57 percent disapprove of his handling of Iraq, a number that is seven percentage points higher than a poll taken in September.
If he and his crew don't figure out something soon, this could blow up in his face similar (but not the same) to LBJ.
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Yeah, but then all he has to do his give a speach and say the word 'God' a few times and the people will love him again. Probably pass an amendment so he can run again in 2008.
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jackironsversion wrote:
Yeah, but then all he has to do his give a speach and say the word 'God' a few times and the people will love him again. Probably pass an amendment so he can run again in 2008.
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Cartman wrote:
jackironsversion wrote:
Yeah, but then all he has to do his give a speach and say the word 'God' a few times and the people will love him again. Probably pass an amendment so he can run again in 2008.
*speech
Thanques
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jackironsversion wrote:
Cartman wrote:
jackironsversion wrote:
Yeah, but then all he has to do his give a speach and say the word 'God' a few times and the people will love him again. Probably pass an amendment so he can run again in 2008.
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CommonWord wrote:
jackironsversion wrote:
Yeah, but then all he has to do his give a speach and say the word 'God' a few times and the people will love him again.
That's a sadly narrow view of America. Keep going at like this, and you'll be whining in 2008 when your next poorly chosen candidate runs.
Well I didn't vote for Kerry in the primaries and I didn't vote for him in November, he was most definitely not my candidate. But you're right, my view on America is very bitter. Taking this article by it's word, most of America thinks President Bush has done a poor job with the war, yet they vote for him anyway. Our friends and family are getting killed in Iraq because of his mistakes, but the American people love him. That seems pretty twisted to me.
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I'm just glad that people are starting to see through all the White House spin and make their own assessments about what is worth losing lives over.
And as far as the "Why he got re-elected" question, there's also a rationale that doesn't get heard much, and that is, "He created this mess, it's his job to clean it up." Not everyone who voted for him loves him, or supports everything he does.
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ElPhantasmo wrote:
And as far as the "Why he got re-elected" question, there's also a rationale that doesn't get heard much, and that is, "He created this mess, it's his job to clean it up." Not everyone who voted for him loves him, or supports everything he does.
Wow. I never thought about it that way. So, you seriously think that some people elected Bush so he'd be the one to take your country out of the quagmire he himself created? That's pretty fucked up.
Though, there's no certainty that the situation will be fixed by the time of 2008. Or maybe i'm being a wee bit too pessimistic. Anyway, let's hope so....
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ElPhantasmo wrote:
I'm just glad that people are starting to see through all the White House spin and make their own assessments about what is worth losing lives over.
Its a shame they didn't see through it before November 2nd, like some of us did. I don't feel at ALL sorry for those that voted for Bush and now regret it - let them reap what they sowed.
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BysTanDeR wrote:
ElPhantasmo wrote:
And as far as the "Why he got re-elected" question, there's also a rationale that doesn't get heard much, and that is, "He created this mess, it's his job to clean it up." Not everyone who voted for him loves him, or supports everything he does.
Wow. I never thought about it that way. So, you seriously think that some people elected Bush so he'd be the one to take your country out of the quagmire he himself created? That's pretty fucked up.
Though, there's no certainty that the situation will be fixed by the time of 2008. Or maybe i'm being a wee bit too pessimistic. Anyway, let's hope so....
I can't speak for everyone who voted for him, but that was the rationale of my stepson's father, who is in Baghdad with the Nat'l Guard. He said that that was the general sentiment among the guys he's tight with over there.
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CommonWord wrote:
That's a sadly narrow view of America. Keep going at like this, and you'll be whining in 2008 when your next poorly chosen candidate runs.
Maybe Kerry was poorly chosen. I don't know how to feel about that yet. Let's face it, Republicans pretty much had it in the bag for the whole of this country -- election theft or not.
However, I would say that Bush was a poorly chosen candidate for the Republicans in 2000. I mean, the guy had his own attack campaign against McCain in the primaries with outright lies.
I could never vote for that guy when he lies about someone who served in the military honorably.
McCain ain't perfect, but I'd sure as hell like him better than this guy we have 'til January 2009 now.
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Do 70% of them still think Saddam was responsible for 9/11 too?
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jackironsversion wrote:
CommonWord wrote:
jackironsversion wrote:
Yeah, but then all he has to do his give a speach and say the word 'God' a few times and the people will love him again.
That's a sadly narrow view of America. Keep going at like this, and you'll be whining in 2008 when your next poorly chosen candidate runs.
Well I didn't vote for Kerry in the primaries and I didn't vote for him in November, he was most definitely not my candidate. But you're right, my view on America is very bitter. Taking this article by it's word, most of America thinks President Bush has done a poor job with the war, yet they vote for him anyway. Our friends and family are getting killed in Iraq because of his mistakes, but the American people love him. That seems pretty twisted to me.
There are other issues that war, too, you know.
Most Republicans I know voted based on morals. In fact, I know some people who think the war is a bad idea (although they're not at the point where they're going to protest it), but voted for Bush because of Kerry's "immoral" image.
Which, of course, is probably an even worse reason to vote for Bush...
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$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
jackironsversion wrote:
CommonWord wrote:
jackironsversion wrote:
Yeah, but then all he has to do his give a speach and say the word 'God' a few times and the people will love him again.
That's a sadly narrow view of America. Keep going at like this, and you'll be whining in 2008 when your next poorly chosen candidate runs.
Well I didn't vote for Kerry in the primaries and I didn't vote for him in November, he was most definitely not my candidate. But you're right, my view on America is very bitter. Taking this article by it's word, most of America thinks President Bush has done a poor job with the war, yet they vote for him anyway. Our friends and family are getting killed in Iraq because of his mistakes, but the American people love him. That seems pretty twisted to me.
There are other issues that war, too, you know.
Most Republicans I know voted based on morals. In fact, I know some people who think the war is a bad idea (although they're not at the point where they're going to protest it), but voted for Bush because of Kerry's "immoral" image.
Which, of course, is probably an even worse reason to vote for Bush...
It's the only issue getting our friends and family killed. If your friends care more about gay folks getting married than the lives of American soldiers, then I hope you understand why I am so bitter.
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I never thought about it that way. So, you seriously think that some people elected Bush so he'd be the one to take your country out of the quagmire he himself created? That's pretty fucked up.
Anyway, let's hope so....
