How bout we post all the saber rattling and whatnot that Russia engages in here, as we all sit back and enjoy the show of a state that wants to go back to the glory days of Communism.


Because killing journalists wasn't enough, now we have poisoning expatriate dissidents:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/20112006/325/spy-poison-plot-target.html

I’d say it has little to do with Communism or the Cold War, but is much more a symptom of Russia being Russia.

Russia is a place with a history of hundreds of years of governmental and societal control from above. There is zero history of power from the people, initiative from below, so to speak. Acting unilaterally and stifling dissent “comes naturally” to Russian leaders, so the fact that they have not easily slipped into the democratic style in the post-Communist era should come as no surprise.

Communism is both the most recently and best example of a highly paternalistic state, so it makes sense that there'd be a hearkening back to that, as opposed to say, the Czar.

Why even feign innocence, though? Does anyone buy the official line that Putin had nothing to do with either the journalist, or this? Why not say, "They had it coming?"

another "ally" in the "war on terror"

All of the sudden being an "ally on the war on terror" means something? I'm fairly certain that circa 2003 you would have mocked the list of "allies on the war on terror" for including inconsequential African and Pacific Island nations. What has made that list any more significant today? And, if you didn't notice, US-Russia relations aren't all that great these days.

So umm, how bout that guys? Polonium? Perhaps the killers hoped it would avoid detection, but how exactly does one explain getting Polonium without direct government assistance? Generally elements that require nuclear reactors or particle accelerators to make aren't out in the public. If Russia didn't do this, who did?

Putin is ex KGB and FSB (the KGB's succesor in everything but name). You're talking about a country whose lower chamber, the Duma, is full of mafiosi, elected so they can claim immunity from prosecution. I don't think anyone buys the idea of this being anyone but Russia.

Precisely, which makes Putins denial rather laughable.

This is Russia's style. Just look at Putin.

He's evil.

this has been a very interesting case to follow, as was Anna Politkovskaya's.

How can they escalate from here? Aren't they running out of interesting ways to kill people?

this is just the beginning

Buchanan, as usual, provides perceptive commentary:

http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=18214



Is Putin Being Set Up?
by Patrick J. Buchanan
Posted Nov 27, 2006

PARIS—Whoever poisoned Alexander Litvinenko had two goals: a long and lingering death for the KGB defector and pointing a finger of accusation for his killing right in the face of Vladimir Putin.

Which leads me to believe Putin had nothing to do with it.

In an assassination, one must ask: Cui bono? To whose benefit? Who would gain from the poisoning of Litvinenko?

Certainly not Putin. Litvinenko's death puts him, the Kremlin and the KGB, now the FSB, under suspicion of having reverted to the terror tactics of Stalin, who commissioned killers to liquidate enemies like Leon Trotsky, murdered in Mexico in 1940.

What benefit could Putin conceivably realize from the London killing of an enemy of his regime, who had just become a British citizen? Why would the Russian president, at the peak of his popularity, with his regime awash in oil revenue and himself playing a strong hand in world politics, risk a breach with every Western nation by ordering the public murder of a man who was more of a nuisance than a threat to his regime?

Litvinenko, after all, made his sensational charges against the Kremlin—that the KGB blew up the Moscow apartment buildings, not Chechen terrorists, as a casus belli for a war on Chechnya and that he had refused a KGB order to assassinate oligarch Boris Berezovsky— in the late 1990s. Of late, Litvinenko has been regarded as a less and less credible figure, with his charges of KGB involvement in 9-11 and complicity in the Danish cartoons mocking Muhammad that ignited the Muslim firestorm.

Yet, listening to some Western pundits on the BBC and Fox News, one would think Putin himself poisoned Litvinenko. Who else, they ask, could have acquired polonium 210, the rare radioactive substance used to kill Litvinenko? Who else had the motive to eliminate the ex-agent who had dedicated his life to exposing the crimes of the Kremlin?

Indeed, no sooner had Litvinenko expired than his collaborator in anti-Putin politics, Alex Goldfarb, was in front of the television cameras reading Litvinenko's deathbed statement charging Putin with murder:

"You may succeed in silencing one man, but the howl of protest from around the world will reverberate, Mr. Putin, in your ears for the rest of your life. ... You may succeed in silencing me, but that silence comes at a price. You have shown yourself to be as barbaric and ruthless as your most hostile critics have claimed."

Litvinenko's statement is awfully coherent and eloquent for a man writhing in a death agony. But if he did not write it, who did? All of which leads me to conclude Putin is being set up, framed for a crime he did not commit. But then, if Putin did not order the killing, who did?

Who else could have acquired the polonium 210? Who else would kill Litvinenko to make Putin a pariah? These are the questions Scotland Yard, which also seems skeptical that Putin had a hand in this bizarre business, has begun to ask.

As the predictable effect of Litvinenko's death has been to put a cloud of suspicion over Putin and a chill over Russian relations with the West, one must ask: To whose benefit is the discrediting of Putin? Who would seek a renewal of the Cold War?

Certainly, the oligarchs and robber barons like Berezovsky—many of them now dispossessed of the wealth they amassed in a collapsing Soviet Union, and all of whom have been run out of the country or imprisoned—have the most powerful of motives. They hate Putin and seek to bring him down. And Goldfarb and Litvinenko both enjoyed the patronage of the billionaire Berezovsky.

Surely, rogue or retired KGB agents, passed over by Putin and bitter at Litvinenko, would have a motive: to send a message, written in polonium 210, that this is what happens to those who betray us and Mother Russia.

Scotland Yard has yet to declare this a murder case and is looking into the possibility of a "martyrdom operation"—suicide dressed up like murder—in which Litvinenko may have colluded. The Putin-dominated Russian press is pushing this line, as well as the idea of an oligarchs' plot to discredit Putin and destroy Russia's relations with the West.

Yet Litvinenko was still in his early 40s, with a wife and two children. While his agonizing public death would make him a celebrity even more famous than Georgi Markov, the Bulgarian anti-communist murdered in London in 1979 with a poison-tipped umbrella, Litvinenko would not be around to enjoy his fame.

America has a vital interest in this Scotland Yard investigation. What it discovers may tell us more about the character of the man into whose eyes George Bush claimed to have stared, and seen his soul, or it may tell us who the real enemies of this country are, who are out to restart the Cold War, and perhaps another hot one.

from Salon.com, an interview with a british atomic energy researcher:


Who poisoned the KGB agent?Only a state with a highly sophisticated nuclear program could kill a person with a radioactive toxin.
By Alex Koppelman

Dec. 01, 2006 | It's been just a week since the death of Alexander Litvinenko, the former KGB agent and recent vocal critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin, whose murder by radiation poisoning has yet to be solved, but the intrigue surrounding the case becomes ever greater. On Thursday, the FBI announced that it would join the investigation, and British authorities say they've found traces of radioactivity in a dozen sites around London, including five planes, some reportedly used for a Moscow-London route. Additionally, another Putin critic, Russia's former acting prime minister Yegor Gaidar, has fallen mysteriously ill while in Ireland for a conference. As of this writing, no cause for Gaidar's illness had been determined.

Litvinenko's murderer has not been found, but the poison that killed him has: polonium-210, an isotope of polonium, an element first discovered by Marie and Pierre Curie and named for Poland, Marie's native country. Used as part of the trigger in the earliest atomic bombs, including those dropped on Japan, polonium-210 is a highly radioactive substance. The alpha particles it emits can be lethal when absorbed into the human body.

Salon spoke with John Large, who spent some 20 years as a research fellow with the British government's Atomic Energy Authority before starting his own firm, Large & Associates, where, among other things, he was responsible for risk analysis during the salvage of the sunken Russian nuclear submarine Kursk. Large told Salon he believes the poisoning of Litvinenko was too sophisticated -- potentially involving radical innovations like nanotechnology -- to be the work of anyone not connected with a state. He also thinks the sushi that has been the focus of public speculation about the case may not have been the means used to kill Litvinenko.

Who could produce this amount of polonium-210?

Polonium, although it does occur naturally, is at the very end of the uranium decay train.

You need a nuclear reactor, you need a radiochemical laboratory that can handle radioactive material, and then you need a clinical laboratory that can cut it into a designer drug. Now, those facilities are simply not available in other than state enterprises. So countries like the United States, the Russian Federation, Britain, France and Israel are the sort of countries that can do this.

So this isn't something that a well-equipped chemistry professor could do.
No. The other point is this: Let's assume it was an assassin. The assassin has to work backwards. He has to know when the victim is going to be available for dosing, and he has to work backwards to know when the material is coming into the country, how it's coming into the country, when it's going to go through the clinical lab. So he has to order this several weeks in advance. The target area in the nuclear reactor has to be booked in advance for that material to be made, and it has to be done very carefully because of the short half-life of polonium. If there's a long delay in this, that means the radioactivity will decay; it will become less and less effective.

So not only could it be produced only by a state enterprise, but it also requires a rather formal sort of way of making it. All those resources have to be put together in advance.

Could you trace this back to some country or to some particular reactor?

This material, polonium-210, is primarily an alpha emitter, but it has about 1 to 2 percent of beta gamma activity in it, usually from contaminants or pollutants. A little bit of decay activity produces beta gamma. So what you have is a spectral signature. That means you can tell when it was put in the reactor to be generated. The first thing you can get from decay, from its strength, is, you can trace back and say, "Ah, OK, this was in a reactor 15 days ago, or 28 days ago."

It is possible to get a signature for the lab that separates [the polonium] from the other radioactive materials that are generated. If you have a signature for that particular lab, then you could identify it. Now, because this would have come from a military type of establishment, it's unlikely that other countries would have a signature of that establishment.

Are the Russians in particular known for producing polonium?

Well, most countries that have an atomic weapons program are. It was a little device, or a trick, used to initiate the earlier series of atomic weapons. It has one or two other uses, but in very small quantities, very specialized. I believe it's on the [Nuclear] Non-Proliferation [Treaty] embargo list.

Why would you use this to poison somebody?

I was very surprised, because it's an alpha emitter, which is a heavy ionizer, but generally it's a difficult one to use if you were to have it ingested in food or something like that. One of the things about human beings is that our gut is designed to protect us from being poisoned. So the gut lining doesn't pass toxins into the blood. This would be seen as a metal, and if you look -- health physicists have what they call gut-transfer factors, and the gut-transfer factor for polonium is quite low. Not a lot of it can get through.

The first challenge, if you're going to administer this as a toxin via the mouth or by liquid -- you've got to somehow cut it chemically with something to make it diffuse into the gut and out of the gut into the bloodstream so you can get it into key organs. The way in which you cause the collapse of this victim is to concentrate the radioactivity in a number of key organs: the kidneys, the liver, and in this case in the bone itself, on the bone surfaces. You then get a lack of red blood cells, and the whole system starts collapsing. Now, to do that as an ingested thing is quite difficult. You'd probably need some sophisticated chemical cut into it.

If you could get it into the respiratory tract, down into the depths of the lungs -- and if the particles are small enough, less than, say, 5 millionths of a meter, 5 microns -- then you can pass it through the lung tissue into the bloodstream, where it can do its evil work. Even then, and I haven't done the sums on this, but I would guess to get a lethal dose, about 5 units of radiation, would take some months.

That's what's so strange about this. First of all, how was it administered? Was it administered through the ingestion pathway or the respiration pathway? The respiration pathway would require some quite sophisticated chemistry, and if it was [administered that way], it seems a bit too effective. So was there some trick, not only a chemical trick but a radiological trick, applied to this?

Almost 30 years ago in London, we had the Bulgarian dissident [Georgi] Markov, who was injected with a ceramic pellet from an umbrella. That was very advanced technology for its day, and I'm beginning to sense that this particular radionuclide might be part of a very advanced designer toxin. It may even involve nanotechnology. But it's certainly caught everyone by surprise here; we were just ill-prepared for this.

Everybody's focusing on the sushi Litvinenko ate, but you're talking about the respiratory tract. Do you think it wasn't in the sushi?

I think it was the respiratory tract. [And] I think if it was via the respiratory tract, it would take a lot longer than the sushi bar, so you'd look for somewhere he'd stayed, perhaps for several hours.

But who knows? The problem is, if it was a well-designed toxin, then it could have gone in anywhere. It could have been an injection.

This is absolutely unique. It's an awkward thing to administer, because, as we've seen, it leaves a trail. If you administer this to anyone, it's not only got a radiological half-life, but it's also got a biological half-life. Put this stuff in the body, and an amount of it will come out in a number of days, and it will continue. Most obviously in the urine, but also in sweat. So your victim will leave a trail.

The initial reports were saying this shouldn't have been detectable.

Oh, no, of course it would be detectable. First of all, the initial reports were wrong in that they assumed it was a pure alpha emitter. Well, it's going to have some beta gamma, so that makes it readily detectible. Secondly, the symptoms he was displaying were that of radiation poisoning: loss of hair, low blood count, et cetera.

In Britain we have something similar to your Homeland Security system. We have something called Resilience. Last year we had an exercise for a radiation dirty bomb attack, and the police took over an area of London and displayed how wonderful they were, with all their different-colored spacesuits and chemical suits, and they had police cadets playing the injured, and of course everything went off absolutely smoothly, the disaster was averted and a nation was saved. Of course, [laughs] come, instead of a terrorist with a dirty bomb, one assassin with some polonium, and the whole system just collapses.

You're saying this exposed problems in the British system. Where do you think the breakdown in the system was? Should they have been detecting the polonium coming into the country?

No, the breakdown was ... as soon as he's referred to University College Hospital, which is a frontline defense hospital, then they should have picked it up there.

In terms of knowing that the thing was in transit: These isotopes are very difficult to track externally. If it was a state-sponsored assembly, then it's more likely the courier would have been very effective, so there wouldn't have been any leaking during the courier stage, when they were transferring it from wherever it was to London, if he was in fact dosed in London. So therefore it means the tracking that's going on at the moment is probably either a victim or somebody who's contaminated by way of.

What they're finding now, these traces of radioactivity on the planes, you can actually pick those traces up and bring a sample back to the lab?

Yeah, you can pick it up with a swipe; you can swab it, or you can tack it onto a tape. It's not difficult. And then you run a spectral counter over it for, let's say, 30 minutes to 100 minutes or however long it takes.

What I should say, by the way, is I'm not at all convinced by all this radiation being detected here, there and everywhere. You have to be very, very careful when you're monitoring for radioactivity; you can jump the gun in many ways. Say, for example, that someone had been in hospital and had a radioactive bromide meal for an X-ray system. Well, for several days or weeks afterward, they're going to be passing traces of that particular dose that they've had. It wouldn't necessarily be polonium, but it would be a radioactive trace. So when you go to an aircraft and suddenly you find some radioactivity in the toilet, that may be completely disconnected. All of these contaminants have to be isolated from inside the aircraft to make sure you're just looking at polonium.

So do you think -- and this is the reason I'm asking about the detectability issues -- someone's trying to send a message here?

Well, who knows? I'm a technician, but I would guess yes, because it's a pretty awful death, as we've seen.

Is it possible, then, that they may have made a mistake and given him more than they'd intended and made it more easily detected?

This is a very publicized death: a painful, prolonged and demeaning death. And it could be a marker being set down for other dissidents. That's if I was to assume that it was a state doing it.

I think the problem we should be concerned with is, OK, here's one that's come up in the U.K., which is a sophisticated, technological country. What happens if someone is in Mexico or Chile? I don't want to be rude to those countries, but what if there was a dissident in -- I don't know -- the Congo. What would happen to somebody targeted like this in a country that hadn't got a nuclear background?

It's very odd, isn't it? Because whoever did this must have known that as soon Litvinenko died, the system would have been onto it like a pack of hounds. The problem is: Did he die too early? Or was he given too high a dose? Something's gone wrong with this, hasn't it? All that trouble to manufacture this toxin, to make a designer thing, to get it into him.

They must have known that as soon as he died in these circumstances, unless they had the time for the trail to go cold, then they were in trouble. I wonder if they were too effective. We'll never know, will we? At this stage, all the indications are that this is becoming politically very, very sensitive, so one assumes that the shutters will come down, and no more meaningful information will come out.

Thanks for the info honey, and it came just when I thought this story couldn't get more disturbing. Designer radioactive toxins? Yikes.

In regards to what Buchannan said, it seems like he's being overly nice to Putin and perhaps a bit to harsh on the Russian exiles. These Ruskies left not because they were robber barons - in Russia, you're either one of those or mafia, but because they opposed Putin. The Oil company got dismantled almost exclusively because it wasn't friendly to Putin, otherwise it behaved like every other Russian company. Its no secret that Russia was corrupt and many questionable deals went down during the post Soviet collapse, but Buchannan makes it sound like stability and rule of law is more important than political freedom, were I to expand upon his criticisms of the Russian exiles. I'm not saying that Putin ordered it, but it seems a bit too elaborate for the victim's friends to have pulled it off, especially if that expert didn't make too many assumptions in his analogy.

Happy to help.

I know a radiation biologist, and he looked at this article and concurred. Said that it seems pretty accurate, based on his own research and what would be required to pull something like this off. Pretty scary stuff. And the fact that it can be spread so easily, once the person is "infected", is REALLY frightening.

I'm watching Alias these days, and this could be a storyline from one of the episodes. Pretty scary stuff.

Skip season 4.

i strapped a portable microwave to a coworkers back. he has no idea, and i figure in about 6 years, he will be dead.


i want it to be slow and painful, not this quick shit the ruskies are doing