Thursday, March 15, 2007
Gay fetuses possible, Mohler says
Baptist leader backs prenatal treatment
By Peter Smith
psmith@courier-journal.com
The Courier-Journal

Babies could be born gay -- and Christians should support prenatal therapies to steer them toward heterosexuality if such therapies are ever developed, says Albert Mohler, the president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville.

The online column in which Mohler wrote those views drew sharp criticism from gay activists, even as it departed from conservative evangelicals' common assertion that homosexuality is chosen, not biological.

"If a biological basis is found, and if a prenatal test is then developed, and if a successful treatment to reverse the sexual orientation to heterosexual is ever developed, we would support its use as we should unapologetically support the use of any appropriate means to avoid sexual temptation and the inevitable effects of sin," Mohler wrote in an article posted March 2 on his blog at http://www.AlbertMohler.com.

In the article -- "Is Your Baby Gay? What If You Could Know? What If You Could Do Something About It?" -- Mohler cited recent research showing that significant numbers of rams have same-sex attractions.

He cited a Slate magazine article, "Brokeback Mutton," that discussed how researchers are exploring ways to alter rams' orientation to make breeding more efficient -- a prospect that has made gay activists nervous because of the possibility of using it on humans.

But Mohler said Christians should support such a therapy if it's ever developed -- for example, using a hormonal patch on an expectant mother.

In an interview last night, Mohler stood by his comments.

But he noted that most of the article addressed a question raised in a recent Radar magazine article on the subject, speculating that even liberal parents might take advantage of such a treatment if they learned their developing baby would have a same-sex attraction.

Mohler said it also raises the specter of parents choosing to abort such a child -- something "we'd better oppose before it happens."

The Rev. Aletha Fields, founder of Genesis Ministries in Louisville, said she was stunned by Mohler's comments.

"What would be really interesting if there would be a prenatal test that would detect and determine bigotry," said Fields, whose group ministers to gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgendered persons.

"I wonder what the treatment would be -- I suppose some love-thy-neighbor hormones and some peace hormones," she said.

Mohler conceded in his column what many opponents of homosexuality have rejected -- that there may be a biological explanation for why some people are attracted to those of the same sex.

At the same time, Mohler said that harmonizes with traditional Christian belief that human sin has infected all of nature.

"Given the consequences of the Fall (first sin) and the effects of human sin, we should not be surprised that such a causation or link is found," he wrote. "After all, the human genetic structure, along with every other aspect of creation, shows the pernicious effects of the Fall and of God's judgment."

In the interview, Mohler said he's been "barraged by e-mails" from other evangelicals saying that there couldn't be a biological cause for homosexual orientation because that would eliminate the moral responsibility for homosexual acts.

"That's just a bad argument," Mohler said. "I am absolutely confident that a large number of homosexuals are telling the truth when they say they did not choose that orientation," he added, although he said it's unclear how much of that is caused by nature or nurture.

But he said homosexual acts are sinful and that people are responsible for resisting whatever sins they are tempted toward.

"We're all completely responsible, regardless of orientation, to obey the word of God," he said.

Paul Simmons, a Baptist minister who teaches medical ethics at the University of Louisville School of Medicine, said researchers have found such therapies to be "a waste of time."

He said no one has yet determined a genetic marker or treatment for any type of personality characteristic, although he said there is a treatment for a pre-determined type of immune deficiency.

"My own hunch is, the genetic factors in sexual orientation are so complex that we'll likely not find a single gene, so it's likely not to be subject to genetic therapy, but that's speculation," he said.

"I'm not surprised about this attitude, because fundamentalists are so opposed to homosexuality," said Simmons, who used to teach at the Baptist seminary but left around the time of Mohler's arrival as the school was undergoing a conservative shift.

"What would be really interesting if there would be a prenatal test that would detect and determine bigotry,"

Do we care if a fetus can be tested for "gay-ness"? Do we care if virtually all pregnancies with a gay fetus are aborted? Are there any moral implications?

The current abortion model says that all abortions are good abortions. We are not to ever question a woman's reasonong for an abortion. Abortion is a morally neutral activity. The abortion rate for pregnancies where Downs Syndrome has been identified runs near 90% in the US.

Do we care if a fetus can be tested for "gay-ness"? Do we care if virtually all pregnancies with a gay fetus are aborted? Are there any moral implications?

Shouldn't you be laying a pipe bomb under a doctor's office right now?

... or at least hosting a show on FOXNews?

The abortion rate for pregnancies where Downs Syndrome has been identified runs near 90% in the US.

At the same time, Mohler said that harmonizes with traditional Christian belief that human sin has infected all of nature.

"Given the consequences of the Fall (first sin) and the effects of human sin, we should not be surprised that such a causation or link is found," he wrote. "After all, the human genetic structure, along with every other aspect of creation, shows the pernicious effects of the Fall and of God's judgment."

Gay children are only a comparably massive burden to bigoted parents.

If you have any moral issues with abortion in general, the idea of aborting a fetus because it may grow up to be gay has got to be the most morally reprehensible rationale I've ever heard, including "I just didn't want to have a baby right now."

Who are you or I to decide what a valid reason for an abortion is? Please rationally explain why aborting a gay fetus is any different than aborting a Downs fetus? Once gene therapy is developped do you have a problem with gene thearapy being applied to a gay fetus to make it hetero?

In my opinion, if you think a Downs child is a massive burden then you are bigoted and extremely uneductaed.

You ask who is to decide what a valid reason is for abortion. I say, the mother. Period. For someone who claims ambivalence about abortion, you seem to have a lot of moral concern about how others make their choices.

Well, obviously 90% of people who know that a Downs child is coming are just as bigoted and uneducated.

Why does it become morally objectionable to abort a gay fetus but not a Downs fetus?

Do we care if a fetus can be tested for "gay-ness"? Do we care if virtually all pregnancies with a gay fetus are aborted? Are there any moral implications?

The current abortion model says that all abortions are good abortions. We are not to ever question a woman's reasonong for an abortion. Abortion is a morally neutral activity. The abortion rate for pregnancies where Downs Syndrome has been identified runs near 90% in the US.

i can't speak for PD, but to me the main difference is that, like PD already said before, children with Down syndrome are a heavy financial and emotional burden for ANYONE who has a child with this syndrome. Where as gays are only a burden for those people who are bigots. people with down syndrome need all sorts of support to live a somewhat normal life and for that you need people who are willing to give them that support. this costs money. lots of it. especially compared to raising "normal" child. raising a gay child is really no difference financially or emotionally, again, unless you're a bigot, than a hetero child.

So, if God made a gay gene, what do these religious folks have against Gods work? I thought they were supposed to have his back.

So, if God made a gay gene, what do these religious folks have against Gods work? I thought they were supposed to have his back.

but seriously, dude, do you REALLY think ANYONE is HAPPY over having an abortion??

Are you fucking nuts?