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Thank you, France, for actually being honest with the UFO phenomenon (Unlike the U.S. and U.K.)

http://www.sci-tech-today.com/story.xht ... 3002HSQJO7

France Goes Public with UFO Findings

March 23, 2007 8:03AM


Only about 9 percent of France's UFO cases have ever been fully explained, while experts have found a likely explanation for another 33 percent of cases. Some UFO cases unraveled over years, and many have never been solved, leaving the door open to all possible hypotheses.


France's space agency is opening its "X-Files" to the public, putting years of UFO research and tens of thousands of documents on the Web.
Eventually, about 100,000 documents -- including police reports, sketches, photos, videos and maps -- will go up on the site. The first batch went up Thursday, and the site got so much traffic that it has been difficult to access since, said the space agency, known by its French initials CNES.

For years, a small group of space agency researchers have been trying, with limited funding, to explain reports of unidentified flying objects. The team calls itself the Group for Study and Information on Unidentified Aerospace Phenomena.

Only about 9 percent of France's UFO cases have ever been fully explained, the group says, while experts have found a likely explanation for another 33 percent of cases.

Some cases unraveled over years. In 1985, two farmers near the Atlantic coastal city of Royan saw a burning object drop into a field nearby.

Experts initially concluded that it was part of the propulsion device of a recently launched satellite. But eventually, they realized it was a piece of leftover German World War II ordnance that spontaneously exploded four decades after the war and launched into the sky, the agency said.

Another case concerned a 1994 Air France flight. While flying over the Paris region, the airplane's crew noticed a large brown-red disk hovering in the horizon and constantly changing shape. The case "has never been explained to this day, and leaves the door open to all possible hypotheses," the agency wrote.


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Yeah ill call them when they get their next film out


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so let me guess, none of the 'explained' UFOs actually had anything to do with aliens? of course they didn't.

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so let me guess, none of the 'explained' UFOs actually had anything to do with aliens? of course they didn't.

I think that probably would've made the news.


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While I'm all for full disclosure, the only issue I'd have with something like this is that those who are eager to "prove" the existence of alien visitors are not the most vigilent adhernets to the tenets of scientific research and methods. They get a huge document dump and cherry pick the files for anything that supports their contentions in a way that would make Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld blush. Then they ignore the stacks of documents that directly contradict their ideas and produce a 49 minute film for the Discovery Channel.

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Yeah ill call them when they get their next film out


cant wait for this

and i fully support France on this

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punkdavid wrote:
While I'm all for full disclosure, the only issue I'd have with something like this is that those who are eager to "prove" the existence of alien visitors are not the most vigilent adhernets to the tenets of scientific research and methods. They get a huge document dump and cherry pick the files for anything that supports their contentions in a way that would make Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld blush. Then they ignore the stacks of documents that directly contradict their ideas and produce a 49 minute film for the Discovery Channel.


Why don't you read up on Dr. J. Allen Hynek. He was the head scientist of Project Blue Book. He is legit. He proposed that these Unidentified Flying Objects were not aliens from another planet or galaxy, but something more closer to home. I agree with his theory. You should read up on it. Then again it may take a more open mind.

No scientist interested in the subject is trying to prove the existence of "alien vistors". But they at least take in the mind the fact that these objects can't be easily explained away. And a lot of those stories on the Discovery Channel, or wherever, are pretty interesting. Like the Portage County case in 1966 where police officers chased a UFO. Yes, it inspired the scene from Close Encounters.


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punkdavid wrote:
While I'm all for full disclosure, the only issue I'd have with something like this is that those who are eager to "prove" the existence of alien visitors are not the most vigilent adhernets to the tenets of scientific research and methods. They get a huge document dump and cherry pick the files for anything that supports their contentions in a way that would make Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld blush. Then they ignore the stacks of documents that directly contradict their ideas and produce a 49 minute film for the Discovery Channel.


Why don't you read up on Dr. J. Allen Hynek. He was the head scientist of Project Blue Book. He is legit. He proposed that these Unidentified Flying Objects were not aliens from another planet or galaxy, but something more closer to home. I agree with his theory. You should read up on it. Then again it may take a more open mind.

No scientist interested in the subject is trying to prove the existence of "alien vistors". But they at least take in the mind the fact that these objects can't be easily explained away. And a lot of those stories on the Discovery Channel, or wherever, are pretty interesting. Like the Portage County case in 1966 where police officers chased a UFO. Yes, it inspired the scene from Close Encounters.


Phoenix Lights

And I've seen some things in the sky that I can't explain, and I have a pretty good understanding of astronomy and visible objects in teh night sky, natural or otherwise. I don't know if the government tests it's super-secret flying machines out here in the desert (good possibility), but there is a weirdly high number of sightings in Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah.

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does anyone really need proof that there are other species out there?

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punkdavid wrote:
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punkdavid wrote:
While I'm all for full disclosure, the only issue I'd have with something like this is that those who are eager to "prove" the existence of alien visitors are not the most vigilent adhernets to the tenets of scientific research and methods. They get a huge document dump and cherry pick the files for anything that supports their contentions in a way that would make Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld blush. Then they ignore the stacks of documents that directly contradict their ideas and produce a 49 minute film for the Discovery Channel.


Why don't you read up on Dr. J. Allen Hynek. He was the head scientist of Project Blue Book. He is legit. He proposed that these Unidentified Flying Objects were not aliens from another planet or galaxy, but something more closer to home. I agree with his theory. You should read up on it. Then again it may take a more open mind.

No scientist interested in the subject is trying to prove the existence of "alien vistors". But they at least take in the mind the fact that these objects can't be easily explained away. And a lot of those stories on the Discovery Channel, or wherever, are pretty interesting. Like the Portage County case in 1966 where police officers chased a UFO. Yes, it inspired the scene from Close Encounters.


Phoenix Lights

And I've seen some things in the sky that I can't explain, and I have a pretty good understanding of astronomy and visible objects in the night sky, natural or otherwise. I don't know if the government tests it's super-secret flying machines out here in the desert (good possibility), but there is a weirdly high number of sightings in Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah.


What they don't talk about often is the reports of the UFO in towns outside of Phoenix an hour before. The descriptions of the object are the same.


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I Hail Randy Moss wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
I Hail Randy Moss wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
While I'm all for full disclosure, the only issue I'd have with something like this is that those who are eager to "prove" the existence of alien visitors are not the most vigilent adhernets to the tenets of scientific research and methods. They get a huge document dump and cherry pick the files for anything that supports their contentions in a way that would make Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld blush. Then they ignore the stacks of documents that directly contradict their ideas and produce a 49 minute film for the Discovery Channel.


Why don't you read up on Dr. J. Allen Hynek. He was the head scientist of Project Blue Book. He is legit. He proposed that these Unidentified Flying Objects were not aliens from another planet or galaxy, but something more closer to home. I agree with his theory. You should read up on it. Then again it may take a more open mind.

No scientist interested in the subject is trying to prove the existence of "alien vistors". But they at least take in the mind the fact that these objects can't be easily explained away. And a lot of those stories on the Discovery Channel, or wherever, are pretty interesting. Like the Portage County case in 1966 where police officers chased a UFO. Yes, it inspired the scene from Close Encounters.


Phoenix Lights

And I've seen some things in the sky that I can't explain, and I have a pretty good understanding of astronomy and visible objects in the night sky, natural or otherwise. I don't know if the government tests it's super-secret flying machines out here in the desert (good possibility), but there is a weirdly high number of sightings in Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah.


What they don't talk about often is the reports of the UFO in towns outside of Phoenix an hour before. The descriptions of the object are the same.

Oh, yeah. It was some "thing" that basically flew down from Nevada south across the whole state over the course of several hours. The reports from Prescott are some of the most detailed. The fact that thousands of people in Phoenix saw them makes it more interesting.

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Punk David, Im curious if you're aware of the theory, or are opened to the possibility that these unidentified light/metallic phenomenon are not from outer space, but interdimensional beings from another parallel world. Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Chief scientist and astronomer of the United States Air Force’s investigation of UFOs (Project Blue Book) said this….

There is sufficient evidence to defend both the ETI and the EDI hypothesis," Hynek continued. As evidence for the ETI (extraterrestrial intelligence) he mentioned, as examples, the radar cases as good evidence of something solid, and the physical-trace cases. Then he turned to defending the EDI (extradimensional intelligence) hypothesis. Besides the aspect of materialization and dematerialization he cited the "poltergeist" phenomenon experienced by some people after a close encounter; the photographs of UFOs, some times on only one frame, not seen by the witnesses; the changing form right before the witnesses' eyes; the puzzling question of telepathic communication; or that in close encounters of the third kind the creatures seem to be at home in earth's gravity and atmosphere; the sudden stillness in the presence of the craft; levitation of cars or persons; the development by some of psychic abilities after an encounter. "Do we have two aspects of one phenomenon or two different sets of phenomena?" Hynek asked. (C. Fuller, 157-163)

Hynek also mentions the peculiar way these objects appear and disappar from radar and from the human eye almost instantaneously. As if these objects are treated as light entities that manifest themselves.

I also think it’s puzzling how these sightings have dated back since the dawn of man, with cave drawings, in ancient and religious texts (Including the Bible), and throughout the centuries. It’s as if it (Whatever it is) has always been here. And their manifestations play on our minds, similar to the theory of the ghost phenomenon.

It’s complex, and I’m sure I’m leaving a lot out, but I find it far more frightening than any alien beings from another planet.


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UK open its X Files.....gee i wonder if they're atmospheric conditions...this should be good


http://news.com.com/8301-10784_3-9715941-7.html


The U.K. opens up its X-files
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The truth is out there. In the U.K.

The British Ministry of Defense is opening its UFO files to the public, according to The Guardian. The reports, which date back to 1967, include 24 files, each containing 200 to 300 reports of sightings, plus internal Ministry of Defense briefings and correspondence, the newspaper said.

The U.K. is following the lead of France, which opened its files in March.

British alien watchers are hoping to see information about an incident, dubbed the U.K.'s Roswell, that took place in Rendlesham Forest, Suffolk, in 1980, when numerous people reported seeing landings.

I am too considering those "people" were highly trained military personnel


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punkdavid wrote:
I Hail Randy Moss wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
While I'm all for full disclosure, the only issue I'd have with something like this is that those who are eager to "prove" the existence of alien visitors are not the most vigilent adhernets to the tenets of scientific research and methods. They get a huge document dump and cherry pick the files for anything that supports their contentions in a way that would make Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld blush. Then they ignore the stacks of documents that directly contradict their ideas and produce a 49 minute film for the Discovery Channel.


Why don't you read up on Dr. J. Allen Hynek. He was the head scientist of Project Blue Book. He is legit. He proposed that these Unidentified Flying Objects were not aliens from another planet or galaxy, but something more closer to home. I agree with his theory. You should read up on it. Then again it may take a more open mind.

No scientist interested in the subject is trying to prove the existence of "alien vistors". But they at least take in the mind the fact that these objects can't be easily explained away. And a lot of those stories on the Discovery Channel, or wherever, are pretty interesting. Like the Portage County case in 1966 where police officers chased a UFO. Yes, it inspired the scene from Close Encounters.


Phoenix Lights

And I've seen some things in the sky that I can't explain, and I have a pretty good understanding of astronomy and visible objects in the night sky, natural or otherwise. I don't know if the government tests it's super-secret flying machines out here in the desert (good possibility), but there is a weirdly high number of sightings in Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah.


The Phoenix Lights are the perfect example of UFO sightings that have been easily debunked yet people still are convinced that they were UFOs. They were nothing more than flares that were being tested by the military behind the White Tank Mountains, but people refuse to believe that in favor of the far more absurd hypothesis that they are aliens or some other sort of extra-terrestrial objects. This is where Occam's Razor really comes into play.

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$úñ_DëV|L wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
I Hail Randy Moss wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
While I'm all for full disclosure, the only issue I'd have with something like this is that those who are eager to "prove" the existence of alien visitors are not the most vigilent adhernets to the tenets of scientific research and methods. They get a huge document dump and cherry pick the files for anything that supports their contentions in a way that would make Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld blush. Then they ignore the stacks of documents that directly contradict their ideas and produce a 49 minute film for the Discovery Channel.


Why don't you read up on Dr. J. Allen Hynek. He was the head scientist of Project Blue Book. He is legit. He proposed that these Unidentified Flying Objects were not aliens from another planet or galaxy, but something more closer to home. I agree with his theory. You should read up on it. Then again it may take a more open mind.

No scientist interested in the subject is trying to prove the existence of "alien vistors". But they at least take in the mind the fact that these objects can't be easily explained away. And a lot of those stories on the Discovery Channel, or wherever, are pretty interesting. Like the Portage County case in 1966 where police officers chased a UFO. Yes, it inspired the scene from Close Encounters.


Phoenix Lights

And I've seen some things in the sky that I can't explain, and I have a pretty good understanding of astronomy and visible objects in the night sky, natural or otherwise. I don't know if the government tests it's super-secret flying machines out here in the desert (good possibility), but there is a weirdly high number of sightings in Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah.


The Phoenix Lights are the perfect example of UFO sightings that have been easily debunked yet people still are convinced that they were UFOs. They were nothing more than flares that were being tested by the military behind the White Tank Mountains, but people refuse to believe that in favor of the far more absurd hypothesis that they are aliens or some other sort of extra-terrestrial objects. This is where Occam's Razor really comes into play.


1.) That theory was made by a guy who wasn't even there
2.) The military never said they made those flights that night
3.) The military doesn't drop flares over populated areas
4.) hundereds of people reported seeing a metallic solid object. I don't know how much stock you put into the testimony of police officers, but police officers reported seeing a metallic object hundereds of feet wide. And hundereds of people called it in and collectively they all described the same or similar looking object. Now, hundereds of people could have been in on a hoax, but I'm highly doubting the city of Phoenix held a town meeting where everyone decided to go through with a mischievous plan such as that one.


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The truth is that French was defeated by the aliens already.

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I Hail Randy Moss wrote:
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punkdavid wrote:
I Hail Randy Moss wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
While I'm all for full disclosure, the only issue I'd have with something like this is that those who are eager to "prove" the existence of alien visitors are not the most vigilent adhernets to the tenets of scientific research and methods. They get a huge document dump and cherry pick the files for anything that supports their contentions in a way that would make Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld blush. Then they ignore the stacks of documents that directly contradict their ideas and produce a 49 minute film for the Discovery Channel.


Why don't you read up on Dr. J. Allen Hynek. He was the head scientist of Project Blue Book. He is legit. He proposed that these Unidentified Flying Objects were not aliens from another planet or galaxy, but something more closer to home. I agree with his theory. You should read up on it. Then again it may take a more open mind.

No scientist interested in the subject is trying to prove the existence of "alien vistors". But they at least take in the mind the fact that these objects can't be easily explained away. And a lot of those stories on the Discovery Channel, or wherever, are pretty interesting. Like the Portage County case in 1966 where police officers chased a UFO. Yes, it inspired the scene from Close Encounters.


Phoenix Lights

And I've seen some things in the sky that I can't explain, and I have a pretty good understanding of astronomy and visible objects in the night sky, natural or otherwise. I don't know if the government tests it's super-secret flying machines out here in the desert (good possibility), but there is a weirdly high number of sightings in Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, Utah.


The Phoenix Lights are the perfect example of UFO sightings that have been easily debunked yet people still are convinced that they were UFOs. They were nothing more than flares that were being tested by the military behind the White Tank Mountains, but people refuse to believe that in favor of the far more absurd hypothesis that they are aliens or some other sort of extra-terrestrial objects. This is where Occam's Razor really comes into play.


1.) That theory was made by a guy who wasn't even there
2.) The military never said they made those flights that night
3.) The military doesn't drop flares over populated areas
4.) hundereds of people reported seeing a metallic solid object. I don't know how much stock you put into the testimony of police officers, but police officers reported seeing a metallic object hundereds of feet wide. And hundereds of people called it in and collectively they all described the same or similar looking object. Now, hundereds of people could have been in on a hoax, but I'm highly doubting the city of Phoenix held a town meeting where everyone decided to go through with a mischievous plan such as that one.


1) They investigated it, and found conclusive evidence that the object fell towards the ground behind the mountains. It didn't leave, it fell to the ground. If it was anything other than a flare, they would have found the remains behind the mountain.
2) The air force provided the flare explanation, and the air force was testing the flares.
3) It was not over a populated area, it was behind the white tank mountains. Obviously you don't know the area, but NOBODY lives behind the white tank mountains.
4) Hundreds of people described an object that they saw from 30 miles away. Yeah, they probably had a clean and detailed view of it. :arrow: If you've actually seen the videos, it looks like a flare. Shocking!

This is at least as absurd as the ridiculous 9/11 theories. The case is as closed as it can get, yet the moron conspiracy theorists who base their entire hypotheses on grainy video and convoluted testimony insist that there is something more than the completely obvious and reasonable explanation.

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