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i found this psychologically based view of education be an interesting read, plus i know education is a oft-discussed issue here.
Education Is All in Your Mind By RICHARD E. NISBETT
As Department of Education officials consider how best to spend billions from the economic stimulus plan, they would be wise to pay attention to which programs actually help children’s achievement — and keep in mind that sometimes very small influences in children’s lives can have very big effects.
Consider, for example, what the social psychologists Claude Steele and Joshua Aronson have described as “stereotype threat,” which hampers the performance of African-American students. Simply reminding blacks of their race before they take an exam leads them to perform worse, their research shows.
Fortunately, stereotype threat for blacks and other minorities can be reduced in many ways. Just telling students that their intelligence is under their own control improves their effort on school work and performance. In two separate studies, Mr. Aronson and others taught black and Hispanic junior high school students how the brain works, explaining that the students possessed the ability, if they worked hard, to make themselves smarter. This erased up to half of the difference between minority and white achievement levels.
Black students also perform better on an exam when it is presented as a puzzle rather than as a test of academic achievement or ability, another study has shown. These are small interventions that have big effects.
Here’s another example: Daphna Oyserman, a social psychologist at the University of Michigan, asked inner-city junior-high children in Detroit what kind of future they would like to have, what difficulties they anticipated along the way, how they might deal with them and which of their friends would be most helpful in coping. After only a few such exercises in life planning, the children improved their performance on standardized academic tests, and the number who were required to repeat a grade dropped by more than half.
Geoffrey Cohen, a psychologist at the University of Colorado, found still another way to improve black students’ test performance. He asked teachers at a suburban middle school, at the beginning of a school year, to give their seventh graders a series of assignments to write about their most important values. Afterward, the black students did well enough in all their courses to obliterate 30 percent of the difference that had existed between black and white students’ grades in previous years.
Small interventions can make a big difference even as late as the college years. Dr. Cohen and another psychologist, Gregory Walton, who is now at Stanford, hypothesized that worries about social acceptance — which are common among all college students — would be especially great among black students on majority-white campuses.
So the researchers gave a group of students at a Northeastern university a detailed report of a survey showing that most upperclassmen had once worried about feeling accepted but had ultimately come to feel at home on campus. Black students who were given this information reported that they worked harder on their schoolwork than others did, and contacted their professors more. The payoff in grade-point average erased most of the usual difference between blacks and whites at the university.
These experiments may help explain the “Obama effect” on the test performance of African-Americans. Adult subjects in a study (still unpublished) answered comprehension questions from the verbal sections of the Graduate Record Examinations before and just after the presidential election. The black participants who were tested before the vote performed worse than whites; those tested immediately afterward scored almost as well as whites.
If simple interventions can have big effects, one might assume that bigger interventions would always be even better. But the truth is that some big interventions in education have had only minimal effects. Head Start, which places 3- and 4-year-olds in supposedly enriched classroom settings, and Early Head Start, which works with 1- to 3-year-olds, for example, have been found to have only modest effects on the children’s academic achievement, and these often fade by early elementary school. Likewise, “whole-school interventions,” in which teams of education engineers descend on a school and change its curriculum, introduce new textbooks and train teachers — often at great expense — typically produce little in the way of educational gain.
Some bigger programs have worked well, however. The Perry Preschool, which was set up in Ypsilanti, Mich., in the early 1960s, is a good example. In this school, highly trained and motivated teachers worked with groups of only six black preschoolers in educationally intensive sessions intended to help the severely disadvantaged children develop both cognitively and socially, and the teachers visited the children’s families for 90 minutes every week.
By the time these students reached high school, almost half of them scored above the 10th percentile on the California Achievement Test, compared with only 14 percent of students in a control group. Almost two-thirds of the students who had been in the program graduated from high school, compared with only 43 percent of control students. And by age 27, one-third of the Perry children owned their own home; only 11 percent of the control students did.
James Heckman, a Nobel Prize-winning economist at the University of Chicago, has estimated that for every dollar spent on a prekindergarten like Perry, $8 has been gained in higher incomes for participants and in savings on the costs of extra schooling, crime and welfare.
Similarly, a program called KIPP (for Knowledge Is Power Program) is having remarkable success with poor minority children in middle schools. KIPP students attend school from 7:30 a.m. to 5 p.m., their term is three weeks longer than normal, and every other Saturday they have classes for half a day. The curriculum includes sports, visits to museums and instruction in dance, art, music, theater and photography. During one academic year, the percentage of fifth-graders at KIPP schools in the San Francisco Bay Area who scored at or above the national average on the reading portion of the Stanford Achievement Test rose to 44 percent from 25 percent. And while only 37 percent started the year at or above the national average in math, 65 percent reached that level by spring.
Such creative programs must be tested to ensure that they work as they are meant to. The United States Department of Education’s What Works Clearinghouse, which was established by the Bush administration, has the job of making public all significant evaluations of educational interventions. The Obama administration should heed the Clearinghouse’s reports. Stimulus money should be spent only on programs that work well — and on creating new programs, which in turn should be properly tested for effectiveness.
President Obama is in a position to not only inspire black youngsters by his example, but also make an enormous difference in their schooling — as long as he supports successful educational interventions, from the smallest to the most ambitious. Richard E. Nisbett, a professor of psychology at the University of Michigan, is the author of “Intelligence and How to Get It: Why Schools and Cultures Count.”
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Yet another lopsided view of education. I stopped reading about halfway through when I realized the entire article was about how to help minority children.
How about some ideas on how we can help middle-class not-necessarily-minority kids who are extremely intelligent but are falling behind and dropping out because our school system fails to engage their minds? How about talking about instilling a better attitude towards education for all children? How about not pretending that everyone who doesn't live in a ghetto receives a great education?
Just trying to provide an alternate perspective since almost everything I see regarding education on RM is one-sided.
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I understand what Buffalohead is saying. It's never a question of improving our schools for everyone - which NEEDS to be done. The problem isn't that the school systems need to coddle and cater to the needs of a few - its their own cultures and parents that don't put any value in an education. Why is that the school's fault?
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NaiveAndTrue wrote:
The problem isn't that the school systems need to coddle and cater to the needs of a few - its their own cultures and parents that don't put any value in an education. Why is that the school's fault?
you could change school into government and have the perfect counterargument to most everything you were saying in the economy thread.
why is it the government's fault these people are in their 30s and barely making $10/hr? or even less?
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The question is: how do you turn around the culture of education being unimportant? If it's the parents fault and you decide to do nothing, then that is just another generation of parents that aren't going to change anything. At some point you have to take action, and guess what--it works.
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dkfan9 wrote:
where are these vast numbers of middle class drop outs?
There are millions of kids getting high-school diplomas that are dumb as a fucking rock. Compare our primary education to countries like Japan, India, Germany... it's fucking embarassing. And a lot of that comes from middle-class white kids that just plain get a shitty education.
Hey, making sure people in poverty get a great education is very important. It's also very important that we nurture and encourage the smartest America has to offer. Those are the ones that are going to be building our supercomputers and curing our cancer 20 years down the line. That includes, by the way, very smart kids in shitty, ghetto neighborhoods, who don't get the education they need because their entire school system is focused on making sure the traditional "fuck-up" kids graduate.
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dkfan9 wrote:
NaiveAndTrue wrote:
The problem isn't that the school systems need to coddle and cater to the needs of a few - its their own cultures and parents that don't put any value in an education. Why is that the school's fault?
you could change school into government and have the perfect counterargument to most everything you were saying in the economy thread.
why is it the government's fault these people are in their 30s and barely making $10/hr? or even less?
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Actually, one of the big things they're talking about is kids living up to their potential, which is one of the things that doesn't happen due to the reasons the article set out.
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NaiveAndTrue wrote:
The problem isn't that the school systems need to coddle and cater to the needs of a few - its their own cultures and parents that don't put any value in an education. Why is that the school's fault?
I agree with you in part. There is a whole shitton of blame that can be placed exclusively on the shoulders of the parents and the culture they choose to make their kids a part of.
On the other hand, school's are pretty fucked up too. The fact that parents suck at life is not the school's fault, but the fact that school's suck is their fault.
Unfortunately, we can't change parents that are fuck-ups. At least, it's not very easy. What we can change is schools that are fucked up. What we should change. And if we ever get to a point where the schools aren't fucked up anymore, there will be noone left to blame but the parents and they will be fully deserving of it.
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yes, compare it to Japan... how much time do those kids devote to school daily? a shitton more than us. i had a prof who said harvard was easier than his childhood education. do we want our schools like that? he, as a product of that system to some extent, didn't think that would be a good idea. and in germany, kids are split up at a fairly early age, meaning that kids(and really, parents and tests) have to make key decisions about their life's direction at a far earlier age...
and still, with their "far better education system", our gdp/capita is higher than all those countries
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dkfan9 wrote:
yes, compare it to Japan... how much time do those kids devote to school daily? a shitton more than us. i had a prof who said harvard was easier than his childhood education. do we want our schools like that? he, as a product of that system to some extent, didn't think that would be a good idea. and in germany, kids are split up at a fairly early age, meaning that kids(and really, parents and tests) have to make key decisions about their life's direction at a far earlier age...
and still, with their "far better education system", our gdp/capita is higher than all those countries
False. The income per capita of Japan is higher.
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dkfan9 wrote:
yes, compare it to Japan... how much time do those kids devote to school daily? a shitton more than us. i had a prof who said harvard was easier than his childhood education. do we want our schools like that? he, as a product of that system to some extent, didn't think that would be a good idea. and in germany, kids are split up at a fairly early age, meaning that kids(and really, parents and tests) have to make key decisions about their life's direction at a far earlier age...
and still, with their "far better education system", our gdp/capita is higher than all those countries
I'm not suggesting that we be exactly like Japan. I am suggesting that looking at some of the very positive results they get from their education system could be helpful for us, a country that is falling more and more behind.
I wish very much that I had been raised more like a Japanese child with regards to school. I think the vast majority of kids in America could benefit from less time playing video games and more time studying in school. I would argue that the US is quite far from a happy medium between school and play.
Anyway, while this isn't some kind of competition with Japan or Germany, let us be fair here. Both of those countries were almost completely devastated 65 years ago. Couple that with our colossal advantage in natural resources and it is easy to imagine why we would have an advantage in GDP.
I will leave you with a question. Would you rather be filthy rich or well-informed and intelligent?
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Buffalohed wrote:
dkfan9 wrote:
yes, compare it to Japan... how much time do those kids devote to school daily? a shitton more than us. i had a prof who said harvard was easier than his childhood education. do we want our schools like that? he, as a product of that system to some extent, didn't think that would be a good idea. and in germany, kids are split up at a fairly early age, meaning that kids(and really, parents and tests) have to make key decisions about their life's direction at a far earlier age...
and still, with their "far better education system", our gdp/capita is higher than all those countries
I'm not suggesting that we be exactly like Japan. I am suggesting that looking at some of the very positive results they get from their education system could be helpful for us, a country that is falling more and more behind.
I wish very much that I had been raised more like a Japanese child with regards to school. I think the vast majority of kids in America could benefit from less time playing video games and more time studying in school. I would argue that the US is quite far from a happy medium between school and play.
Anyway, while this isn't some kind of competition with Japan or Germany, let us be fair here. Both of those countries were almost completely devastated 65 years ago. Couple that with our colossal advantage in natural resources and it is easy to imagine why we would have an advantage in GDP.
I will leave you with a question. Would you rather be filthy rich or well-informed and intelligent?
well it depends on the amount of education i havee in the first and the amount of money i have in the second... i'd rather be rich and fairly ignorant than the smartest most well informed man on earth living under the bridge with a nasty coke habit
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the second sounds very nice; i would consider that rich actually since my parents make a little more than half that.
i, personally, would take the second, but i don't see what it has to do with this current discussion. i am already well-informed(obviously I have more to learn, but I'm a Frosh in college, so I have time), and that was with the US education system.
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Buffalohed wrote:
NaiveAndTrue wrote:
The problem isn't that the school systems need to coddle and cater to the needs of a few - its their own cultures and parents that don't put any value in an education. Why is that the school's fault?
I agree with you in part. There is a whole shitton of blame that can be placed exclusively on the shoulders of the parents and the culture they choose to make their kids a part of.
On the other hand, school's are pretty fucked up too. The fact that parents suck at life is not the school's fault, but the fact that school's suck is their fault.
Unfortunately, we can't change parents that are fuck-ups. At least, it's not very easy. What we can change is schools that are fucked up. What we should change. And if we ever get to a point where the schools aren't fucked up anymore, there will be noone left to blame but the parents and they will be fully deserving of it.
I completely agree. The school systems are garbage. And a big part of the reason is because they're lowering standards and loading in loopholes to 'push through' the kids that don't do the work. Unfortunately, that tends to be mostly minorities. Why bother doing the work all year long, when you can goof off for 9 months, take 3 saturday classes and get full credit for the class to graduate?
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Orpheus wrote:
Actually, one of the big things they're talking about is kids living up to their potential, which is one of the things that doesn't happen due to the reasons the article set out.
i blame school for that, not my lack of motivation
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