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 Post subject: Abortion Provider Murdered
PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2009 8:29 pm 
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This really disturbs me.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/01/us/01tiller.html?_r=3&hp

WICHITA, Kan. — George Tiller, a Wichita doctor who was one of the few doctors in the nation to perform late-term abortions, was shot to death on Sunday as he attended church, city officials in Wichita said.
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Dr. George Tiller, one of the nation's few late-term-abortion providers, was killed Sunday in church.

Dr. Tiller, who had performed abortions since the 1970s, had long been a lightning rod for controversy over the issue of abortion, particularly in Kansas, where abortion opponents regularly protested outside his clinic and sometimes his home and church. In 1993, he was shot in both arms by an abortion opponent but recovered.

He had also been the subject of many efforts at prosecution, including a citizen-initiated grand jury investigation. In the latest such effort, in March, Dr. Tiller was acquitted of charges that he had performed late-term abortions that violated state law.

The shooting occurred at around 10 a.m. (Central time) at Reformation Lutheran Church on the city’s East Side, Dr. Tiller’s regular church.

Wichita police said that the shots were fired from a handgun in the church lobby during the morning service. The authorities gave few details, but said they were searching for a powder blue Taurus made in the 1990s that had been seen leaving shortly after the shooting. They said witnesses had described seeing a white man departing.

“This is going to be a larger search than maybe just Wichita,” said Brent Allred, a police captain, who said that the FBI and state police had been called to the scene. By noon, few parishioners remained at the church, a modern, red brick facility that seats about 500 people. Police cars surrounded the building.

Troy Newman, president of Operation Rescue, an anti-abortion group that has led opposition to Dr. Tiller’s methods, denounced the killing on Sunday. “Our prayers go out to his family and the thousands of people this will impact,” Mr. Newman said in a telephone interview from his home in Wichita.

“Operation Rescue has worked tirelessly on peaceful, non-violent measures to bring him to justice through the legal system, the legislative system,” Mr. Newman said. “I’m a tireless advocate and spokesman for the pre-born children who are dying in clinics everyday. Mr. Tiller was an abortionist. But this wasn’t personal. We are pro life, and this act was antithetical to what we believe.”

Leaders of national abortion rights organizations, meanwhile, expressed outrage. Some described Dr. Tiller as one of the only doctors in the nation who performed third trimester abortions when the life or health of a mother was at stake, and said that his death would make it even harder for women in such circumstances to end their pregnancies.

“Dr. Tiller was a fearless, passionate defender of women’s reproductive health and rights,” said Nancy Northup, president of the Center for Reproductive Rights, based in New York, which had worked on a legal case related to Dr. Tiller. “It’s time that this nation stop demonizing these doctors, and start honoring them.”

At St. George Orthodox Christian Church, next door to Dr. Tiller’s church, members said they had often been concerned about being so close to a church that often was the scene of protests because of Dr. Tiller’s presence. Dr. Tiller had attended the church for a long time, they said, and had contributed significantly to construction of the current facility, which was built in about 1996.

“This is a God-fearing community,” said Mickey Cohlmia, who was at services at the neighboring church on Sunday morning and said she was horrified that such a thing had happened in Wichita, a city of about 358,000 in southern Kansas. “How does this scar everybody in his church?"

EDIT: They arrested someone.
http://www.kansas.com/news/breaking/story/833730.html


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Does this have some kind of meaning relevant to the topic or were you just pointing out something random that disturbs you?

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If someone is so "pro-life" that they feel the need to resort to murder, they really should examine their belief system.

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 Post subject: Re: Abortion Provider Murdered
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meatwad wrote:
If someone is so "pro-life" that they feel the need to resort to murder, they really should examine their belief system.
Why is this even a national story? I can see it being a story should the motive for the shooting be tied to the doctor providing abortions but don't think there's anything beyond media speculation at this time.


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tyler wrote:
meatwad wrote:
If someone is so "pro-life" that they feel the need to resort to murder, they really should examine their belief system.
Why is this even a national story? I can see it being a story should the motive for the shooting be tied to the doctor providing abortions but don't think there's anything beyond media speculation at this time.


Oh come on dude, this guy's been targeted for years. I highly doubt this was some random church shooting.

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tyler wrote:
Why is this even a national story?

Did you read the headline or any of the story? It doesn't matter how he was killed or who killed him at this point; he could have had a heart attack and it's probably a national story. He gets killed in a church on Sunday and it's absolutely one.

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meatwad wrote:
If someone is so "pro-life" that they feel the need to resort to murder, they really should examine their belief system.

Viewed through warped utilitarian lenses, the killing of one man will save countless other lives that will now not be aborted.

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corduroy_blazer wrote:
meatwad wrote:
If someone is so "pro-life" that they feel the need to resort to murder, they really should examine their belief system.

Viewed through warped utilitarian lenses, the killing of one man will save countless other lives that will now not be aborted.

Actually, it's perfectly reasonable. This man isn't innocent. He takes innocent lives. Taking his life isn't nearly as bad as a single one of the abortions he has performed. I think they probably did examine their belief system quite well and it led to this decision.

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corduroy_blazer wrote:
meatwad wrote:
If someone is so "pro-life" that they feel the need to resort to murder, they really should examine their belief system.

Viewed through warped utilitarian lenses, the killing of one man will save countless other lives that will now not be aborted.



Just War theory
Death Penalty (actually this one would be least like this situation since it's usually against one who no longer poses any danger to society)
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Dropping of the A Bomb

actually, war of any sort. even bombing of terrorists or shooting the guy holding someone hostage. kills one who may have killed others.

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Buffalohed wrote:
dkfan9 wrote:

Does this have some kind of meaning relevant to the topic or were you just pointing out something random that disturbs you?

Since drownedout told me what disturbed him, I figured why not tell him what disturbs me.

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I think they probably did examine their belief system quite well and it led to this decision.


Shhh... you will scare the multiculturalists.

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Buffalohed wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
meatwad wrote:
If someone is so "pro-life" that they feel the need to resort to murder, they really should examine their belief system.

Viewed through warped utilitarian lenses, the killing of one man will save countless other lives that will now not be aborted.

Actually, it's perfectly reasonable. This man isn't innocent. He takes innocent lives. Taking his life isn't nearly as bad as a single one of the abortions he has performed. I think they probably did examine their belief system quite well and it led to this decision.


So...two wrongs do make a right after all!

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meatwad wrote:
Buffalohed wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
meatwad wrote:
If someone is so "pro-life" that they feel the need to resort to murder, they really should examine their belief system.

Viewed through warped utilitarian lenses, the killing of one man will save countless other lives that will now not be aborted.

Actually, it's perfectly reasonable. This man isn't innocent. He takes innocent lives. Taking his life isn't nearly as bad as a single one of the abortions he has performed. I think they probably did examine their belief system quite well and it led to this decision.


So...two wrongs do make a right after all!

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Either way you look at it, this act took place within a church and is highly fucked up.

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I find it's interesting that he's an "Abortion Provider" and not an "OB-GYN."

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Sigh. Brings back the memories of countless slumber parties 'talking' to him through the ouiji board.

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