Post subject: oklahoma state lawmaker goes on stunning anti-gay tirade
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 1:36 pm
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oklahoma republican rep. sally kern spouting genius. i'm tempted to write a letter.
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Post subject: Re: oklahoma state lawmaker goes on stunning anti-gay tirade
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 4:39 pm
Former PJ Drummer
Joined: Mon Oct 18, 2004 5:51 am Posts: 17078 Location: TX
Interesting. That woman is truly a cunt. However, that video is pretty fucking stupid too, it's hard to pay attention to what she is saying with all those distracting pictures. It is kind of silly when people say "she doesn't represent me", because she does. We elect our officials to represent us, and you can't just deny that when you don't like what they say. I guess I'm saying is it doesn't mean anything to say "she doesn't speak for me", if you want to do something meaningful, go take action.
Kern vows not to apologize for remarks against homosexuals
Thousands have sent e-mails criticizing state Rep. Sally Kern for comments that were posted on the Internet in which she calls homosexuality "the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam," the legislator said today.
"The homosexual agenda is destroying this nation; it's just a fact," Kern is heard saying on a YouTube audio segment posted Friday.
"I honestly think it's the biggest threat our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam," Kern is heard saying on the Web site.
The Cimarron Alliance Foundation, an Oklahoma City-based group, has sent a letter to House Speaker Chris Benge stating that Kern, R-Oklahoma City, "must apologize or be censured by the House of Representatives."
Benge, R-Tulsa, has no comment on the letter, his spokeswoman said today.
Kern said today she does not plan to apologize nor does she think her fellow legislators would censure her.
Kern, R-Oklahoma City, said she has received more than 3,000 critical e-mails and hundreds of angry phone calls since her comments were posted on YouTube late last week.
Kern, a former social studies teacher in the Oklahoma City School District, said the e-mails to her office often have been vulgar.
"I heard what you said and you should be killed ... along with George W. Bush!" read one e-mail sent to Kern. "Christianity is the cancer in our society and should be eliminated."
The Cimarron Alliance Foundation issued a posting today on its Web site asking people not to send hate mail to Kern.
Kern said she told a gathering outside the Capitol recently about efforts by gay rights groups to target conservatives in recent elections.
"I said nothing that was not true, I said nothing out of hate and I don't believe my colleagues will censure me," Kern said today.
"I was speaking about the homosexual activists who are aggressively funding pro-homosexual candidates against conservative Republicans," Kern said. "In 2006, they targeted conservatives across the nation, mostly at the state and local levels. They took out 50 of them."
Kern said she was talking to "grassroots individuals who are Republicans."
Someone apparently taped her comments and they ended up on YouTube, sparking reaction from across the country.
"Representative Kern's secretive hate words made to a small group of about 50 people are now being heard and judged by millions of Americans," wrote Richard Ogden, chairman of the Cimarron Alliance Foundation. "These words are on YouTube and millions more Americans will hear her hateful words."
Kern often has opposed homosexuality
Kern has not been shy in her criticism of homosexuality during her nearly four years as a state legislator.
Elected to the House in 2004, Kern has led efforts to block state funding for libraries that did not segregate books with homosexual or sexually explicit material from children's sections. She also proposed a measure that would have allowed teachers across the state to teach a range of scientific views on the theory of evolution.
Neither measure passed.
"Most Oklahomans are socially conservative and believe marriage is a sacred institution, the union of one man and one woman, and that the traditional family is worth protecting and preserving," Kern said in a statement Monday. "When I campaigned for office, I promised my constituents to stand up for those values, and I do not apologize for keeping my word."
In 2006, Kern introduced House Bill 2158: Supporters said parents should decide whether their children can have access to these books. The bill would have required the state Board of Libraries to withhold state funding if a public library does not comply with the new regulations. Opponents said the legislation was too subjective and would cost libraries — especially those in rural areas with limited staff — money and time.
The House passed the measure, 60-33. It died in the Senate.
Also that year, she introduced HB 2107, a measure that would have allowed teachers across the state to teach a range of scientific views on the theory of evolution. Supporters said the change would have given teachers the academic freedom to present the scientific debate on evolution; then students could think critically about the views and form their own opinions. Critics said it was a veiled way to bring religion into the classroom and teach intelligent design, which supposes that the universe is the work of an "intelligent cause."
The House passed the bill, 77-10. It died in the Senate.
In 2005, her first year as a legislator, Kern introduced House Resolution 1039, which urged library officials to restrict children's access to books with homosexual themes. It states that Oklahoma libraries should "confine homosexually themed books and other age-inappropriate material to areas exclusively for adult access and distribution."
Kern said at the time she wanted to make public libraries aware of the "values that our state upholds" and make sure books are on the shelves "where they appropriately need to be."
Opponents said the measure was censorship and was an attempt to control what decisions people have the right to make on their own.
The resolution passed, 81-3.
This session, Kern is among the authors of HB 2211, called the Religious Viewpoints Antidiscrimination Act. Among other things it states students may express their beliefs about religion in homework, artwork and other assignments "free from discrimination based on the religious content."
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The Oklahoma House of Representatives has passed a bill that says that a student can receive a passing grade in an Earth Science class if they say that the Flying Spaghetti Monster created the Earth an hour ago, and then planted false memories into every single living creature on Earth to make it seem like they've been around longer.
Of course, that's not the intent of the bill. The intent is that a student can say the Earth is 6000 years old and still get a passing grade. The bill itself says that a student cannot be graded down if they say that what they are being taught interferes with their religious beliefs.
Specifically, the bill states:
Quote:
A school district shall treat a student's voluntary expression of a religious viewpoint, if any, on an otherwise permissible subject in the same manner the district treats a student's voluntary expression of a secular or other viewpoint on an otherwise permissible subject and may not discriminate against the student based on a religious viewpoint expressed by the student on an otherwise permissible subject.
It's the "otherwise permissible subject" phrase that's sticky. That can easily be interpreted as meaning tests, besides just normal classroom discussion.
For a long time, I have been disquieted by the fact that many people want to give patently ridiculous ideas as much standing as reality. One problem with this is that once you open the door to fantasy, any and all flavors of it can walk on through, as in the example above. But it also elevates fantasy to the same level as reality, and that is simply wrong.
I taught a few classes back when I was a grad student. If someone had answered a question on a test saying the Earth was 6000 years old, I would have marked it as incorrect. That's because — and sit down for this breaking news — that answer is wrong. The student could complain, they could take it to the dean, the president, the Supreme Court for all I care — I wouldn't have backed down. Wrong is wrong.
I don't care what your religious belief is, there are some things that are simple facts. An object with mass has gravity. A lump of lithium dropped into water will create heat and hydrogen gas. An accelerating charged particle will emit radiation. These are facts. It doesn't matter what you believe: reality is that which, when you go to sleep, doesn't go away.
What I find most ironic about this legislation — and there is a rich, rich field of irony to choose from — is that it was passed by conservatives, people who no doubt would rail against political correctness and relativism (for example, the bill's primary author, Sally Kern, has spoken clearly about her being against "the gay lifestyle" — she even compares being gay to cancer), yet this is exactly what this legislation is all about. The problem here is that they are trying to legislate relativistic reality. And that's simply wrong.
And it's not like they have to go far to see what a disaster this bill will create: Texas is already in a peck o' trouble for passing a similar law.
This bill still has to pass Oklahoma's state Senate before it becomes a law. If that happens, Oklahoma will have taken a long stride back into the Dark Ages. I'll be honest: if I were an employer, or a University recruiter, and the bill becomes law, I would look very skeptically at any application that came to my desk from a student who graduated in Oklahoma. That makes me sad, but that is the reality Oklahoma is aiming toward.
For more about this horrid bill, check out Oklahomans for Excellence in Science Education.
Post subject: Re: oklahoma state lawmaker goes on stunning anti-gay tirade
Posted: Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:40 pm
Force of Nature
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 3:43 pm Posts: 489 Location: My Own Private Idaho
NaiveAndTrue wrote:
Timber wrote:
i wanna punch that bitch in the cunt
Probably be the most action it's seen in years, dried up old wench.
How about just calling her ignorant, which is what she actually is. I really don't find it cool, as a woman, to contemplate that people are thinking such violent things if they disagree with what I have to say. And then why not do something bigger than talk like a woman beater if you disagree with her? Why don't you write her a letter of protest instead of a "yeah, let's punch her in the genitals" "fun" note here where it does nothing but offend some women?
I'm the mother of a homosexual, and while I disagree with this woman entirely, I did something more effective than insult her for shits and grins.
I find what was said about punching her in the "cunt" to be as offensive as anything this backward woman said. I am sure that you really care about that. But, I will say it because I do find it offensive and I shouldn't just let it go by.
Post subject: Re: oklahoma state lawmaker goes on stunning anti-gay tirade
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:17 pm
Of Counsel
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 1:14 am Posts: 37778 Location: OmaGOD!!! Gender: Male
SecretGirl wrote:
NaiveAndTrue wrote:
Timber wrote:
i wanna punch that bitch in the cunt
Probably be the most action it's seen in years, dried up old wench.
How about just calling her ignorant, which is what she actually is. I really don't find it cool, as a woman, to contemplate that people are thinking such violent things if they disagree with what I have to say. And then why not do something bigger than talk like a woman beater if you disagree with her? Why don't you write her a letter of protest instead of a "yeah, let's punch her in the genitals" "fun" note here where it does nothing but offend some women?
I'm the mother of a homosexual, and while I disagree with this woman entirely, I did something more effective than insult her for shits and grins.
I find what was said about punching her in the "cunt" to be as offensive as anything this backward woman said. I am sure that you really care about that. But, I will say it because I do find it offensive and I shouldn't just let it go by.
Are you equally offended when someone says a man "ought to be kicked in the balls"?
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Post subject: Re: oklahoma state lawmaker goes on stunning anti-gay tirade
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 4:25 pm
too drunk to moderate properly
Joined: Sun Oct 17, 2004 7:19 pm Posts: 39068 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA Gender: Male
Worse than terrorism!!!
I agree folks. The gays are taking over. I was at Old Navy yesterday, and they let a 13-year-old boy buy a pink shirt ... just like THAT! WHAM!!
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Post subject: Re: oklahoma state lawmaker goes on stunning anti-gay tirade
Posted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 5:56 pm
Mike's Maniac
Joined: Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:14 pm Posts: 15317 Location: Concord, NC Gender: Male
punkdavid wrote:
SecretGirl wrote:
NaiveAndTrue wrote:
Timber wrote:
i wanna punch that bitch in the cunt
Probably be the most action it's seen in years, dried up old wench.
How about just calling her ignorant, which is what she actually is. I really don't find it cool, as a woman, to contemplate that people are thinking such violent things if they disagree with what I have to say. And then why not do something bigger than talk like a woman beater if you disagree with her? Why don't you write her a letter of protest instead of a "yeah, let's punch her in the genitals" "fun" note here where it does nothing but offend some women?
I'm the mother of a homosexual, and while I disagree with this woman entirely, I did something more effective than insult her for shits and grins.
I find what was said about punching her in the "cunt" to be as offensive as anything this backward woman said. I am sure that you really care about that. But, I will say it because I do find it offensive and I shouldn't just let it go by.
Are you equally offended when someone says a man "ought to be kicked in the balls"?
come on now...that's comedy gold. just watch a funny bloopers show. what's more hilarious than a man being hit in the testicles by a toddler with a plastic baseball bat?
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