Fuck Keynesian economics and all that jazz. Joe Six-Pack wants to know, what are you gonna do so that it doesn't cost me $300/month to heat my home next winter?

Fuck Keynesian economics and all that jazz. Joe Six-Pack wants to know, what are you gonna do so that it doesn't cost me $300/month to heat my home next winter?

Businesses employ people and invent useful things, but they frequently break democratic law and will not hesitate to hand any problem they can't deal with back to the public on a whim, usually through deceitful means. Most regulation when updated and revised with the times is perfectly sensible, and if we were living in a moral universe it wouldn't be necessary. Alas, we're not.

I've repeatedly stated that I'm:

a)not against competition
b)not against incentive
c)not against amassing wealth
d)not necessarily for various policies involving "wealth re-distribution."

Businesses employ people and invent useful things, but they frequently break democratic law and will not hesitate to hand any problem they can't deal with back to the public on a whim, usually through deceitful means. Most regulation when updated and revised with the times is perfectly sensible, and if we were living in a moral universe it wouldn't be necessary. Alas, we're not. - GV

Secondly, the key phrase in your second statement, "when updated and revised with the times," is a pipe dream at best. Regulations are never "updated", they are only added upon. You're living in a fantasy world if you think the government ever gets rid of old regulations. The only way that happens is through an expensive trip to the supreme court, and loads of money that could be used to increase productivity (and therefore standard of living) is instead used on satisfying regulations. Ever heard of Sarbanes-Oxley? How many countless billions are wasted paying accountants to make sure businesses adhere to its leviathan statutes? And only as a knee-jerk reaction to what the public perceived as someone being dishonest (which was not, by the way, actually proven).

See, this is the flaw in your argument. First of all, while it is true that businesses break democratic law (though "frequently" is arguable), you seem to ignore the fact that the government does the exact same thing. The government is just as quick to hand its problems back to the public (where do you think they get their budget?), but the public doesn't have the option of voting for a different government.

Secondly, the key phrase in your second statement, "when updated and revised with the times," is a pipe dream at best. Regulations are never "updated", they are only added upon. You're living in a fantasy world if you think the government ever gets rid of old regulations. The only way that happens is through an expensive trip to the supreme court, and loads of money that could be used to increase productivity (and therefore standard of living) is instead used on satisfying regulations. Ever heard of Sarbanes-Oxley? How many countless billions are wasted paying accountants to make sure businesses adhere to its leviathan statutes? And only as a knee-jerk reaction to what the public perceived as someone being dishonest (which was not, by the way, actually proven).

Just out of curiousity GV. How many corporations do you think are in America? And how many of them do you actually think are evil?

These questions are horrible.

Why? You seem to think that every corporation in America = Enron. It's nice that you at least admit you don't have a clue about economics. If only we could get such an admission from your messiah.

i dont get how littlewing thinks hes such an economic genius

No, you seem to think that I think that every corporation in America = Enron. Nice one. Build your strawman, it works well for you.

I've spoken my peace. I'm done here.

For every crap law on the books that's screwing over the consumer or costing tax-payers money, there's a business that's also screwing the consumer (goods from China, anyone?)

I can't believe people who say they care about the economy are seriously advocating voting for McCain. The last 3 Republican presidents have given us the 3 worst deficits in the history of the galaxy. And people seriously want to try this a 4th time?

this dumbfounds me as well. the conservatives have the public well and truly convinced that they are better economic managers.

That's why I asked you. Holy shit batman! Pardon me to ask someone who admits they don't know a whole lot about economics in order to find how just exactly how vacant that persons knowledge on economics really is.