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 Post subject: Animal Cruelty and Art
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As some of you may know...I'm no vegan (see the cow torturing thread)...However, this makes me absolutely sick.


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 Post subject: Re: Animal Cruelty and Art
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i remember reading about this awhile ago. i can't remember if there was any legal action taken. i'll try to search for the story.

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How in the fuck did nobody in the crowd attempt to release the dog? Who cares what the artist wants or thinks?

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I don't know either. But did you see where it said he was invited to do another show in 2008?

I mean I enjoy art and I really respect artists, but who in the hell could see this as anything but sadistic?

I would cut this guys nuts off and feed them to him...ok...maybe not, but he deserves a good ass raping in prison.

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Too Big a Man Too Say wrote:
How in the fuck did nobody in the crowd attempt to release the dog? Who cares what the artist wants or thinks?


That's what I was thinking. If I saw this shit I would feed the dog, give it water, take it, and seek medical attention. I sure as hell am not going to let some shit brick artist fuck stop me. I fucking pissed right now.

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 Post subject: Re: Animal Cruelty and Art
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I don't know either. But did you see where it said he was invited to do another show in 2008?

I mean I enjoy art and I really respect artists, but who in the hell could see this as anything but sadistic?

I would cut this guys nuts off and feed them to him...ok...maybe not, but he deserves a good ass raping in prison.


Oh yeah, I completely agree that the artist is a piece of shit. But at the same time it says something about timidness of people sometimes.

I remember reading a story about a different artist that quite a few years back that as his exhibit he just layed down and set a clock, and didnt move or eat or drink or do anything. And he wasnt going to do anything until someone intervened. I want to say that it was close to 2 days until someone put a cup of water next to him, then he got up and stopped the clock.

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How in the fuck did nobody in the crowd attempt to release the dog? Who cares what the artist wants or thinks?

Supposedly that's exactly the reason why the artist did this.

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Vargas said that the piece meant to test the public and that none of the exhibition's visitors intervened to help the animal. He would not reveal whether the dog lived through the exhibition, but did say he has received dozens of death threats.


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 Post subject: Re: Animal Cruelty and Art
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conoalias wrote:
Too Big a Man Too Say wrote:
How in the fuck did nobody in the crowd attempt to release the dog? Who cares what the artist wants or thinks?

Supposedly that's exactly the reason why the artist did this.

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Vargas said that the piece meant to test the public and that none of the exhibition's visitors intervened to help the animal. He would not reveal whether the dog lived through the exhibition, but did say he has received dozens of death threats.


Artists can make things seem more than they are, to make their point. From the public's view, attempting to break the law to save the dog would not be correct.

The video makes it seem like he's attacking the dog food industry, an absurdity to anyone who owns a fucking dog, but we all know how batshit insane liberals can get their panties wadded up their ass over anything produced by a corporation.

If I were in the audience, I would have felt sick about the dog, but I would not have risked breaking the law to save the dog. If I had disrupted the artwork and stolen the dog, then what if the artist had been taking care of the dog between shows, nursing it from near death, and had contacted a vet and animal rights groups to make sure that when the dog was displayed it wasn't being cruel or unhealthy to the animal? Now I'm facing prison time for disrupting and destroying this man's art, theft for stealing his dog, and probably a lawsuit from the artist to recover his subsequently lost money. I'm sure most people in his audience would have saved that dog had they have known he was being inhumane, but they had to act on good faith and assume that the animal was being treated in a correct way by the artist despite the horrific appearance. If anyone is at fault, it's not the audiences that the artist wants to shit guilt on now, but it's him and all of the crew who helped maintain the artwork and witnessed the abuse and death of this animal for the sole purpose of spreading their dumb donkey left-wing liberal guilt.

I am not advocating criminality in the least, but I hope ol' Darwin can intervene here and weed this ape out before he pollutes the gene pool.


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I would've helped the dog and then beat the shit out of the dude


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 Post subject: Re: Animal Cruelty and Art
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I did not watch the video but I read this thread, and don't understand how anyone could place any 'law' above a living being's welfare. Sometimes breaking the law is necessary to do right. Or at least you can try and do whatever you can think of, for instance talking to authorities or to the artist or in public.

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[If I were in the audience, I would have felt sick about the dog, but I would not have risked breaking the law to save the dog. If I had disrupted the artwork and stolen the dog, then what if the artist had been taking care of the dog between shows, nursing it from near death, and had contacted a vet and animal rights groups to make sure that when the dog was displayed it wasn't being cruel or unhealthy to the animal? Now I'm facing prison time for disrupting and destroying this man's art, theft for stealing his dog, and probably a lawsuit from the artist to recover his subsequently lost money.

Yeah or you could have just called animal care/control.

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conoalias wrote:
Too Big a Man Too Say wrote:
How in the fuck did nobody in the crowd attempt to release the dog? Who cares what the artist wants or thinks?

Supposedly that's exactly the reason why the artist did this.

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http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/27240/alleged-animal-abuse-sparks-outrage-against-artist/
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Vargas said that the piece meant to test the public and that none of the exhibition's visitors intervened to help the animal. He would not reveal whether the dog lived through the exhibition, but did say he has received dozens of death threats.

test the public. hilarious.

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Anon wrote:
conoalias wrote:
Too Big a Man Too Say wrote:
How in the fuck did nobody in the crowd attempt to release the dog? Who cares what the artist wants or thinks?

Supposedly that's exactly the reason why the artist did this.

Quote:
http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/27240/alleged-animal-abuse-sparks-outrage-against-artist/
[....]
Vargas said that the piece meant to test the public and that none of the exhibition's visitors intervened to help the animal. He would not reveal whether the dog lived through the exhibition, but did say he has received dozens of death threats.


Artists can make things seem more than they are, to make their point. From the public's view, attempting to break the law to save the dog would not be correct.

The video makes it seem like he's attacking the dog food industry, an absurdity to anyone who owns a fucking dog, but we all know how batshit insane liberals can get their panties wadded up their ass over anything produced by a corporation.

If I were in the audience, I would have felt sick about the dog, but I would not have risked breaking the law to save the dog. If I had disrupted the artwork and stolen the dog, then what if the artist had been taking care of the dog between shows, nursing it from near death, and had contacted a vet and animal rights groups to make sure that when the dog was displayed it wasn't being cruel or unhealthy to the animal? Now I'm facing prison time for disrupting and destroying this man's art, theft for stealing his dog, and probably a lawsuit from the artist to recover his subsequently lost money. I'm sure most people in his audience would have saved that dog had they have known he was being inhumane, but they had to act on good faith and assume that the animal was being treated in a correct way by the artist despite the horrific appearance. If anyone is at fault, it's not the audiences that the artist wants to shit guilt on now, but it's him and all of the crew who helped maintain the artwork and witnessed the abuse and death of this animal for the sole purpose of spreading their dumb donkey left-wing liberal guilt.

I am not advocating criminality in the least, but I hope ol' Darwin can intervene here and weed this ape out before he pollutes the gene pool.


I completely disagree with you.

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If this had taken place in the US, the artist would have been arrested.

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For some reason this really doesn't bother me all that much

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punkdavid wrote:
If this had taken place in the US, the artist would have been arrested.


Good.


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punkdavid wrote:
If this had taken place in the US, the artist would have been arrested.


We also have healthier stray dogs. :thumbsup:


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corduroy11 wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
If this had taken place in the US, the artist would have been arrested.


Good.

And the dog would have been euthanized.

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art interpreting life and life interpreting art never fails to amaze me.

if i would have been there, i'd probably don't understand what it's about - then i would go home, talk to my girlfriend on the phone about it, read stuff...
then go back there with cutters, dog food and water and some king-fu masters hong-kongians actors.
then i'd be a fucking hero with an octopus-shaped dick, because of the dog's disease i sadly caught, and i'd be on my way to yet another pearl jam concert.

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