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PostPosted: Sun Sep 21, 2008 8:59 pm 
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This video segment is from a non-profit documentary called "Zeitgeist: The Movie".
I've watched it several times already and am still fascinated by it.

Subjects include:
-the history of US central banking system and its constant hunger for power and control
-the real cause of every US international war
-the influence of mass media on the American public
-the inevitable road to a one world government


Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom To Fascism" covered the Federal Reserve Act and Real ID Act topics in detail, but this movie covers the entire picture from a macro perspective.

Pt.1

Pt.2

Pt.3

Pt.4

Pt.5


The full video is found at zeitgeistmovie.com, which contains the other 2 parts which explain the origin of Christianity, and a shocking perspective behind 9/11.

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This is a bit old but I'm glad it was posted here.

There is so much covered in these videos, I'm still not sure what I believe about most of the topics still. It certainly makes one ponder.

What are your thoughts Sunny?


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I've never seen that film. It kind of makes me feel like hopping on the first rocket ship to Mars.

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one more comment.

Spoiler: show
mutha fuckers!

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:14 am 
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What are your thoughts Sunny?

I don't know where to start to be honest. The more I analyze what this film presents to me, the more sense it makes. If I commented on each sub-section, this post would be an essay.

Watching this film also made me realize what a fraud politicians are. Regardless of the outcome of this presidential race, or any race in the last 100 years for that matter, the agenda of the central bankers will continue to progress at an exponential rate. Politicians are merely puppets used to communicate between the American public and the men behind the curtain.

I'm surprised how the movie makes no mention of George H. Bush and the Gulf War; another sustainable war for the purpose of profit. Frankly, I'm shocked that the public couldn't even notice this simple pattern within the Bush history line. This should be the foundation if anyone were to convince the people that 9/11 was a staged attack by the government.

I'm convinced the thorough brainwashing of the American people will prevent another revolution from occurring. As long as the government creates problems, the people will look to the government to solve them.

After I first viewed this film last weekend, the past 7 days have been slow as molasses. I'm frightened beyond belief anytime I paint a picture of our future based on the theories presented in the film, and knowing that there is literally nothing that can be done to stop this.

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saw this months ago from a link that guy who met pete townshend posted in the A&E forum.

I found it much more credible than the vast majority of conspiracy theory type rhetoric out there these days- here's why-

No one is surprised that people who obtain power generally want more of it. No one is surprised when they find their government lies to them. No one is surprised that more often than not, the motives behind many people's actions are less than virtuous.
We all know people are never as kind, caring, and altruistic as they'd like to present themselves.
We know this because we are this way, all of us to some degree or another, it's in our nature.

I suppose there's a cynicism that comes with age that makes it somewhat easier to look at a film like this and see it as more plausable than not, but just the mere fact that none of it seemed too terribly implausible was enough for me.

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International high finance conspiracy, eh? Very 1930s Germany.

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malice wrote:
saw this months ago from a link that guy who met pete townshend posted in the A&E forum.

I found it much more credible than the vast majority of conspiracy theory type rhetoric out there these days- here's why-

No one is surprised that people who obtain power generally want more of it. No one is surprised when they find their government lies to them. No one is surprised that more often than not, the motives behind many people's actions are less than virtuous.
We all know people are never as kind, caring, and altruistic as they'd like to present themselves.
We know this because we are this way, all of us to some degree or another, it's in our nature.

I suppose there's a cynicism that comes with age that makes it somewhat easier to look at a film like this and see it as more plausable than not, but just the mere fact that none of it seemed too terribly implausible was enough for me.



If you haven't seen V for Vendetta, go rent it.

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malice wrote:
saw this months ago from a link that guy who met pete townshend posted in the A&E forum.

I found it much more credible than the vast majority of conspiracy theory type rhetoric out there these days- here's why-

No one is surprised that people who obtain power generally want more of it. No one is surprised when they find their government lies to them. No one is surprised that more often than not, the motives behind many people's actions are less than virtuous.
We all know people are never as kind, caring, and altruistic as they'd like to present themselves.
We know this because we are this way, all of us to some degree or another, it's in our nature.

I suppose there's a cynicism that comes with age that makes it somewhat easier to look at a film like this and see it as more plausable than not, but just the mere fact that none of it seemed too terribly implausible was enough for me.

Oh Mary, they got you too?

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malice wrote:
We all know people are never as kind, caring, and altruistic as they'd like to present themselves.
We know this because we are this way, all of us to some degree or another, it's in our nature.

If this was true, the American Revolution and the creation of the US Constitution would never have happened.

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Sunny wrote:
If this was true, the American Revolution and the creation of the US Constitution would never have happened.


Perhaps they just did it for fun.


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Lysander wrote:
Sunny wrote:
If this was true, the American Revolution and the creation of the US Constitution would never have happened.


Perhaps they just did it for fun.



Perhaps they were all drunk. :idea:

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bart d. wrote:
malice wrote:
saw this months ago from a link that guy who met pete townshend posted in the A&E forum.

I found it much more credible than the vast majority of conspiracy theory type rhetoric out there these days- here's why-

No one is surprised that people who obtain power generally want more of it. No one is surprised when they find their government lies to them. No one is surprised that more often than not, the motives behind many people's actions are less than virtuous.
We all know people are never as kind, caring, and altruistic as they'd like to present themselves.
We know this because we are this way, all of us to some degree or another, it's in our nature.

I suppose there's a cynicism that comes with age that makes it somewhat easier to look at a film like this and see it as more plausable than not, but just the mere fact that none of it seemed too terribly implausible was enough for me.

Oh Mary, they got you too?


got me? nah. but I'm not immune to the idea that if there's a way to take advantage of large groups of people in order to futher one's own power or wealth, there aren't people out there who won't find that way to do exactly that and run with it as far as they're able.

don't mistake my commentary for full fledged belief in what the film purports about what's been going on, it's not- what I'm saying is that none of it is 'unbelievable'- in theory I got no problem with it, in practice...well, I geuss I wonder if there's a group of people intelligent enough out there to actually pull it off.

I don't have a whole lot of faith in human intelligence to begin with so the two sides war with each other in my head.

Smart people controlling the dumb masses?

Dumb people who think they're smart attempting to control the dumb masses and being completely (figuratively) blown away by the grand chaos of how life unfolds?

who the hell knows, honestly, but it's interesting at any rate.
And parts of it are, as stated already, plausible enough- that being the key word in the sentence- 'enough' that's really all it takes to make me wonder.

and what was that comment you made about 1930s Germany? Think they could have ever gotten away with the shit they got away with if not for the dumb masses that fell into lock step behind them?...

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Sunny wrote:
malice wrote:
We all know people are never as kind, caring, and altruistic as they'd like to present themselves.
We know this because we are this way, all of us to some degree or another, it's in our nature.

If this was true, the American Revolution and the creation of the US Constitution would never have happened.



ok, so let me get this straight, I agree with something you post and you still want to argue with me about it?
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malice wrote:
and what was that comment you made about 1930s Germany? Think they could have ever gotten away with the shit they got away with if not for the dumb masses that fell into lock step behind them?...

Actually they got where they were mainly by using conspiracy theories.

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bart d. wrote:
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and what was that comment you made about 1930s Germany? Think they could have ever gotten away with the shit they got away with if not for the dumb masses that fell into lock step behind them?...

Actually they got where they were mainly by using conspiracy theories.


I think you missed my point- They were a group of people who got themselves into a position of power by riling up the masses and using the mob mentality to their advantage.
Regardless of the methods they used. know what I'm saying?

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bart d. wrote:
malice wrote:
and what was that comment you made about 1930s Germany? Think they could have ever gotten away with the shit they got away with if not for the dumb masses that fell into lock step behind them?...

Actually they got where they were mainly by using conspiracy theories.



And obviously conspiracy theories are threatening no matter which way you look at it. Regardless of what is said about any conspiracy in this film, the FACT is that the federal reserve is not doing us any good. When will it be profitable for another country to invade our dumbasses?

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I'm not going to watch the whole thing, mainly because the stupidity of the makers is laid bare in the screenshot of Part 2. The 16th Amendment is unconstitutional? That's why it's a fucking amendment. If the damn income tax was already constitutional, they wouldn't have had to gather three quarters of the States together to ratify it. Which brings us to the second point. The whole issue is that when the geniuses of the Ohio legislature got together to celebrate joining the Union in the early 1800s, they forgot to technically, you know, actually join the Union. They never went through the necessary formalities to become a State. So since they were one of the States which ratified the 16th Amendment, the argument from tax protesters is that it's not valid. The problem is that the fact that the Ohio legislature didn't formally accept Stateship only became known in the early 50s. At that point, recognizing the fact that Ohio hadn't been a State in the most technical sense would have been an ENORMOUS clusterfuck, so they took the common sense solution.

All perfectly reasonable, until you get some stock photos, ominous music an a solemn narrator to intone how it's all part of a sinister plot by Jew...er, Bankers to control our lives.

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bart d. wrote:
I'm not going to watch the whole thing, mainly because the stupidity of the makers is laid bare in the screenshot of Part 2. The 16th Amendment is unconstitutional? That's why it's a fucking amendment. If the damn income tax was already constitutional, they wouldn't have had to gather three quarters of the States together to ratify it.

It's a direct tax, along with many other reasons with it being unconstitutional (including the definition of "income"). Keep in mind the 16th amendment was added in 1913, the same year as the inception of the Federal Reserve and the unfortunate overhaul of monetary policy.

But that doesn't matter, because apparently you've made up your mind before examining the information presented to you. That's pretty ignorant.

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bart d. wrote:
I'm not going to watch the whole thing, mainly because the stupidity of the makers is laid bare in the screenshot of Part 2. The 16th Amendment is unconstitutional? That's why it's a fucking amendment. If the damn income tax was already constitutional, they wouldn't have had to gather three quarters of the States together to ratify it. Which brings us to the second point. The whole issue is that when the geniuses of the Ohio legislature got together to celebrate joining the Union in the early 1800s, they forgot to technically, you know, actually join the Union. They never went through the necessary formalities to become a State. So since they were one of the States which ratified the 16th Amendment, the argument from tax protesters is that it's not valid. The problem is that the fact that the Ohio legislature didn't formally accept Stateship only became known in the early 50s. At that point, recognizing the fact that Ohio hadn't been a State in the most technical sense would have been an ENORMOUS clusterfuck, so they took the common sense solution.

All perfectly reasonable, until you get some stock photos, ominous music an a solemn narrator to intone how it's all part of a sinister plot by Jew...er, Bankers to control our lives.


It doesn't have to be about the joos. The National Bank wasn't super popular when it was first introduced, and why should people now be convinced that monetary policy is made with the everyman in mind?


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