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 Post subject: Re: the problem with education in america
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You must agree that the term has been diluted due to the significant quantity of pop-psychology accompanied by graphics.


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 Post subject: Re: the problem with education in america
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Evaluating neuroscience on Malcolm Gladwell and Jonah Lehrer is a hell of a lot like basing your opinion of conservative legislation and fiscal philosophy on Clint Eastwood and a chair.



I happen to like Malcolm Gladwell's writing (but I don't accept him as an authority on scientific subjects as I would someone like Neil deGrasse Tyson or Kirk Cameron)

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symptom, not a cause

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thodoks wrote:
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symptom, not a cause

What's the cause?

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 Post subject: Re: the problem with education in america
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dkfan9 wrote:
thodoks wrote:
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symptom, not a cause

What's the cause?

i don't think there's just a single cause

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 Post subject: Re: the problem with education in america
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what are the most significant causes, in your estimation?

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Administrative Bloat is one of the biggest problems with education becasue it takes vast sums of money away from actually performing the duty of the institution.

It misappropriates large amounts of money. In public schools it's difficult to obtain needed supplies, so much so that teachers spend thier own money to buy things they need for thier classrooms, yet administrators collect vast sums of money in salaries despite having very little to do with the actual education of students.

We're building 60 million dollar football stadiums for high school teams and painting murals on walls, but we can't buy enough chemistry supplies to teach a decent 10th grade chemistry class.

High performing people don't need much administration to perform thier duties.

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Electromatic wrote:
We're building 60 million dollar football stadiums for high school teams and painting murals on walls, but we can't buy enough chemistry supplies to teach a decent 10th grade chemistry class.


Not all schools do this, but this isn't about administrators or educators, it's about what the local cultures want. If the parent's and society's emphasis wasn't on football, the stadiums wouldn't be getting built. Can't blame the administrators for doing what the parents want.

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High performing people don't need much administration to perform their duties.


Unions disagree.

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Fair Point, but if we're going to ask so many people at the bottom of the pay scale to do more and multi task I don't think it is too much to ask a group of school administrators (before we even get to county and state) to do more. IE, Maybe forgo one of 2 or 3 80K a year assistant principals and ask the Principal to do more.

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 Post subject: Re: the problem with education in america
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Electromatic wrote:
Fair Point, but if we're going to ask so many people at the bottom of the pay scale to do more and multi task I don't think it is too much to ask a group of school administrators (before we even get to county and state) to do more. IE, Maybe forgo one of 2 or 3 80K a year assistant principals and ask the Principal to do more.


I totally agree, but those are the jorbs that encourage educators to seek advanced degrees in education, so it can be a two edged sword

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