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_________________ "Though some may think there should be a separation between art/music and politics, it should be reinforced that art can be a form of nonviolent protest." - e.v.
The number in Ohio is remarkable. Oddly, I never had considered Dayton to be such a struggling city, although the others in OH are less surprising.
One one hand, it is obviously distressing to see these places falling apart, but I also feel happy to have more evidence in favor of my hypothesis that Ohio is the worst place in the world.
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Aren't most cities east of the Mississippi River shrinking? Seems that since the interstate highway system came about, people are flooding the 'burbs. I know our cities here in CT are about half the size they were 50 years ago. And how are Pittsburgh, St Louis and Philly not on that list?
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Sandler wrote:
Aren't most cities east of the Mississippi River shrinking? Seems that since the interstate highway system came about, people are flooding the 'burbs. I know our cities here in CT are about half the size they were 50 years ago. And how are Pittsburgh, St Louis and Philly not on that list?
Pittsburgh has had a resurgence, form what I understand, and Philly is pretty stable in size, if not necessarily quality. St. Louis is a big loser though, and I was surprised to not see it on teh list. It's very interesting to see a list of the top 10 cities in teh US each decade for teh last 100 years or so, and see which cities have fallen off the charts. St. Louis was in teh top 10 for a century, and now it's like 45th or something.
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Orpheus wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
I am sensing commonalities here...
We're probably not sensing the same ones, but so am I. I know I definitely wouldn't want to live in any of those places.
Actually, Buffalo's a really nice place to live if you work in the medical or biomedical industry. As far as it being on the fastest dying cities list, it's been dying since the steel plants shut down a few decades ago. Not exactly new news.
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punkdavid wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
punkdavid wrote:
LittleWing wrote:
I am sensing commonalities here...
Black people or libruls?
Lots of libruls and gross unionization.
So the unions killed the industries? It wasn't just that the industries died on their own?
As the son of a 35-year GM employee, I can tell you first hand that the UAW had something to do with the downfall of GM (with the other being huge payouts to stockholders in the 90s instead of re-investment in technology (for example, like Toyota did)). Flint and Detroit can attest to that.
So the unions killed the industries? It wasn't just that the industries died on their own?
It's complicated. For example:
UAW
Unions make demands. Business can't meet the demands while the cost of everything goes up (ie. healthcare). Business moves to the third world factories.
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So the unions killed the industries? It wasn't just that the industries died on their own?
As the son of a 35-year GM employee, I can tell you first hand that the UAW had something to do with the downfall of GM (with the other being huge payouts to stockholders in the 90s instead of re-investment in technology (for example, like Toyota did)). Flint and Detroit can attest to that.
HA! Well....I could have saved a post.
Nobody in my family is UAW. But rather, IBEW, and union pipefitters. Construction trade unions are somewhat different than the UAW though.
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Failure to adjust to a changing economy really hurt Cleveland. When all the manufacturing jobs left those who lost their jobs had nothing to do. Now Cleveland has to find something to hang its hat on and it has with the medical industry thanks to the two world class hospitals in the city. The trick is attracting younger, more educated employees to come to the area instead of fleeing the state after college.
Oh yeah, the complete absence of competent leadership hasn't helped the region either (Kucinich as mayor, Mike White, Kucinich as congressman, Jimmy Dimora and his cronies...and so on).
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