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Post subject: Re: Third Party Candidates (2008 Edition)
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:04 am
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Post subject: Re: Third Party Candidates (2008 Edition)
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:31 am
Unthought Known
Joined: Thu Dec 16, 2004 1:54 am Posts: 7189 Location: CA
Orpheus wrote:
Where is the candidate that's so third party he doesn't even have a party?
Someone told me that Ron Paul threw his support behind Chuck Baldwin. Can we infer from this that he takes Bob Barr to be no more than an opportunist, or is something else going on here?
Post subject: Re: Third Party Candidates (2008 Edition)
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:43 am
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Checking out the wiki page for this Baldwin fellow, I don't think I can vote for him. He's a Baptist pastor and is more closely allied with the 9/11 truthers than Ron Paul. I don't know what to make of Paul's pro life stance, but its one of his few blemishes. Baldwin, it seems to be just one of several issues.
Someone told me that Ron Paul threw his support behind Chuck Baldwin. Can we infer from this that he takes Bob Barr to be no more than an opportunist, or is something else going on here?
I believe he officially endorsed 4 different 3rd party candidates at the same time, including Barr.
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Post subject: Re: Third Party Candidates (2008 Edition)
Posted: Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:19 pm
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aprilfifth wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
Someone told me that Ron Paul threw his support behind Chuck Baldwin. Can we infer from this that he takes Bob Barr to be no more than an opportunist, or is something else going on here?
I believe he officially endorsed 4 different 3rd party candidates at the same time, including Barr.
Ah, that clarifies things a bit. I presumed that he only endorsed one person. That would be too... conventional.
Actually, you were right. My news was a little older than yours.
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The congressman had reportedly invited presidential candidates Chuck Baldwin, Bob Barr, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader to the press conference, leading some to speculate that they would endorse Paul running for president on the ticket of either the Constitution, Libertarian or other third party.
On September 10, 2008, Paul confirmed his "open endorsement" (CNN) for the four candidates at a press conference in Washington D.C. He also revealed that he had rejected a personal request for an endorsement of John McCain. He later appeared on CNN's The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer with Nader where they presented and briefly laid out the four principles that all the independent candidates had agreed on as the most important key issues of the presidential race. On September 22, 2008, Paul abandoned his former neutral stance and announced his support of Chuck Baldwin in the 2008 presidential election.
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Although we were on the receiving end of ridicule in the reporting of the press conference, I personally was quite satisfied with the results. True revolutions are not won in a week, a month, or even a year. They take time. But we are making progress, and the momentum remains and is picking up. The Campaign for Liberty is alive and well, and its growth and influence will continue. Obviously the press conference could have been even more successful without the last-minute change of heart by the Libertarian Party candidate by not participating. He stated that his support for the four points remains firm. His real reason for not coming, nor letting me know until forty minutes before the press conference started, is unknown to me. To say the least, I was shocked and disappointed.
Yet in the long run, this last-minute change in plans will prove to be of little importance. I’m convinced that problems like this always seem bigger at the moment, yet things usually work out in the end. Recovering from the mistakes and shortcomings of all that we do in this effort is not difficult if the message is right and our efforts are determined. And I’m convinced they are. That’s what will determine our long-term success, not the shortcomings of any one person.
The Libertarian Party Candidate admonished me for “remaining neutral” in the presidential race and not stating whom I will vote for in November. It’s true; I have done exactly that due to my respect and friendship and support from both the Constitution and Libertarian Party members. I remain a lifetime member of the Libertarian Party and I’m a ten-term Republican Congressman. It is not against the law to participate in more then one political party. Chuck Baldwin has been a friend and was an active supporter in the presidential campaign.
I continue to wish the Libertarian and Constitution Parties well. The more votes they get, the better. I have attended Libertarian Party conventions frequently over the years.
In some states, one can be on the ballots of two parties, as they can in New York. This is good and attacks the monopoly control of politics by Republicans and Democrats. We need more states to permit this option. This will be a good project for the Campaign for Liberty, along with the alliance we are building to change the process.
I’ve thought about the unsolicited advice from the Libertarian Party candidate, and he has convinced me to reject my neutral stance in the November election. I’m supporting Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party candidate.
It does seem personal.
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Ohio Chapter Chairman C. Ryan Kearney makes a living supporting corporate America by day and by night is the bass player for the critically acclaimed rock band, The Twilight.
Sweet!
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