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PostPosted: Tue Jan 25, 2005 12:10 am 
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Senators to Press for Gay Marriage Ban

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s ... y_marriage

The article says that "The amendment states that marriage "shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman," adding that no state would be required to give legal recognition to same-sex marriages sanctioned by any other state. "

So my question is, does that statement mean, if a State wishes to recognize a union, it can? Even if other states choose to ignore it, does this ammendment infer that a state can recognize a union if it chooses to do so?

Or does it mean that a state cannot legally issue licenses to marry, and that no state would legally have to recognize any same gender unions which have already taken place?

Or what?


Anyone know?

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I believe DOMA already says that no state can be forced to recognize a marriage of another state. However, that may be unconstitutional.

Check out the discussion David and I had in this thread:

http://www.theskyiscrape.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3752


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Green Habit wrote:
I believe DOMA already says that no state can be forced to recognize a marriage of another state. However, that may be unconstitutional.


Dammit, I would really enjoy expanding on this but I have far too much homework, I'll reply with something substantive tommorow.

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Green Habit wrote:
I believe DOMA already says that no state can be forced to recognize a marriage of another state. However, that may be unconstitutional.

Check out the discussion David and I had in this thread:

http://www.theskyiscrape.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3752


I think the better part of the discussion took place in this thread:

http://www.theskyiscrape.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3160 :D

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Well, I see that the Supreme Court refused Mass. a case. I don't know if California has been similarly refused by the Supreme Court, yet. I also see the comment 'The main point of the full faith and credit clause is not that "laws" can cross state lines, but that judicial determinations are binding on the courts of other jurisdictions,..." and I understand that one. I'm also aware that, inspite of the law, members of the Mormon church are still engaging in polygamists practises (there are still plenty of households with one man and multiple wives). I had discussions about it on a different message board. I also see where punkdavid wrote:
"Public Acts - If the legislature of the State of Massachusetts were to pass a law that permitted same sex marriage, another State would have to give full faith and credit to that law. That does not mean that Ohio would have to also authorize gay marriages, but it would mean that their courts would have to treat a Massachusetts same sex married couple equally under Ohio law as it would treat any other married couple."

So is the Senate just simply covering the Legislative Butt of all states as far as not recognizing marriages, or are they also preventing them from recognizing them within their own bounderies with the "between a man and a woman" verbage?

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cltaylor12 wrote:

So is the Senate just simply covering the Legislative Butt of all states as far as not recognizing marriages, or are they also preventing them from recognizing them within their own bounderies with the "between a man and a woman" verbage?

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It's federal limiting state government's powers. A state's constitution cannot neglect federal law.

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cltaylor12 wrote:

So is the Senate just simply covering the Legislative Butt of all states as far as not recognizing marriages, or are they also preventing them from recognizing them within their own bounderies with the "between a man and a woman" verbage?

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It's federal limiting state government's powers. A state's constitution cannot neglect federal law.


And a federal law cannot ignore the federal constitution. I think that the Congress has overstepped their bounds with the DOMA, and a few federal courts have agreed so far. We'll see how this all plays out. This will be the big story in the Supreme Court in the next few years.

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I thought a "ban" on gay marriage would never pass.

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