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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2012 11:47 pm 
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If I had low self-esteem I wouldn't have graduated towards the top of my class, or joined the Marine Corps, or went to college for engineering, and then gotten an engineering degree, and now out earn my engineering peers.

are you drunk or something?


No. I don't have self-esteem issues.

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If I had low self-esteem I wouldn't have graduated towards the top of my class, or joined the Marine Corps, or went to college for engineering, and then gotten an engineering degree, and now out earn my engineering peers.


Wow you did all that huh? And yet, you still managed to be baited into a response that essentially illustrates everything I said about you.

Did you call up all of your ex-peers just to confirm that you earn more than them? I'm thinking ya did :haha:


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If I had low self-esteem I wouldn't have graduated towards the top of my class, or joined the Marine Corps, or went to college for engineering, and then gotten an engineering degree, and now out earn my engineering peers.


Wow you did all that huh? And yet, you still managed to be baited into a response that essentially illustrates everything I said about you.

Did you call up all of your ex-peers just to confirm that you earn more than them? I'm thinking ya did :haha:


Most schools publish the average early career earnings for particular degrees. I imagine he could have based it off of that. Or perhaps his conclusion is based off of anectdotal evidence. He's earning more than me. :wave:


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LittleWing wrote:
warehouse wrote:
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If I had low self-esteem I wouldn't have graduated towards the top of my class, or joined the Marine Corps, or went to college for engineering, and then gotten an engineering degree, and now out earn my engineering peers.

are you drunk or something?


No. I don't have self-esteem issues.

thats fine, but i dont think any of those things have to do w/ self esteem.

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 Post subject: Re: 44th President Barack Obama.
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warehouse wrote:
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warehouse wrote:
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If I had low self-esteem I wouldn't have graduated towards the top of my class, or joined the Marine Corps, or went to college for engineering, and then gotten an engineering degree, and now out earn my engineering peers.

are you drunk or something?


No. I don't have self-esteem issues.

thats fine, but i dont think any of those things have to do w/ self esteem.


People with self esteem issues do not become tax serfs. They become the people who demand others be tax serfs for them.

As SS says, universities post average salaries of graduates annually. It's a recruiting tool for degree programs. Not only do I make about...ohhhhh, 20-25K more than my average peer, but I also live in an area with a very low cost of living.

This isn't because I have a self-esteem issue.

Is that GV?

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 Post subject: Re: 44th President Barack Obama.
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you have a bizarre sense of self esteem

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 Post subject: Re: 44th President Barack Obama.
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People with self esteem issues do not become tax serfs. They become the people who demand others be tax serfs for them.

I probably agree with the majority of your opinions about the economic consequences of our taxing/spending policies, but man you have the worst way ever of expressing them. It's like you gotta be Stephen Colbert or something. The whole "victim" card you play is probably the single worst way to approach the topic of taxes. You basically reinforce every negative stereotype there could be about the economically conservative crowd and instantly turn anybody off to your side of the debate. I'm 100% behind much lower taxes and drastic spending cuts but none of my reasons behind that have to do with feeling sorry for myself and my tax burden or that of some middle or upper-middle class person who is whining that "poor me, the government is robbing me to feed lazy poor Cadillac queens." Screw that emotional pity party nonsense. There are plenty of reasonable, logical reasons to favor lower taxes, but an apparent disdain for people born into a lower class world are not among them.

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 Post subject: Re: 44th President Barack Obama.
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 Post subject: Re: 44th President Barack Obama.
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There are plenty of reasonable, logical reasons to favor lower taxes, but an apparent disdain for people born into a lower class world are not among them.


I am not sure that is what LW advocates here. I think he has a great disdain for the self-imposed helplessness of many in the lower classes and the policies preached by those who benefit from keeping them there, but not some inherent hate for them. I tend to agree with that. The cost of hood-rat lifestyles may not be easily quantified in the hundreds of billions like what we see from the wall street criminals, but the damage to our national psyche and the destruction of social cohesion is arguably worse.

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 Post subject: Re: 44th President Barack Obama.
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4/5 wrote:
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People with self esteem issues do not become tax serfs. They become the people who demand others be tax serfs for them.

I probably agree with the majority of your opinions about the economic consequences of our taxing/spending policies, but man you have the worst way ever of expressing them. It's like you gotta be Stephen Colbert or something. The whole "victim" card you play is probably the single worst way to approach the topic of taxes. You basically reinforce every negative stereotype there could be about the economically conservative crowd and instantly turn anybody off to your side of the debate. I'm 100% behind much lower taxes and drastic spending cuts but none of my reasons behind that have to do with feeling sorry for myself and my tax burden or that of some middle or upper-middle class person who is whining that "poor me, the government is robbing me to feed lazy poor Cadillac queens." Screw that emotional pity party nonsense. There are plenty of reasonable, logical reasons to favor lower taxes, but an apparent disdain for people born into a lower class world are not among them.


First, your troll detector is down.
Second, I don't really think I ever play the "victim" card. I have never not once protested at an OWS rally.
Third, I do not complain about my tax burden in and of itself. I complain about how the taxes are spent, and how the tax burden exists. If the way money was spent by government was more effective, I'd complain a lot less. This includes social welfare programs. I have been a member of this community for a long fucking time and I've had the exact same position and stance on this issue that I did when I was fucking flipping burgers making a dollar above minimum wage working my ass off 50 hours a week at two jobs, and doing the reserves, and getting my degree. So pardon me while I go tell you to fuck yourself on this sanctimonious bullshit. It's always been a position about integrity and looking to oneself before looking outward at others simply because they have more than you. I didn't exactly grow up in a gated community either. But you know this.
Fourth, none of my criticism is predicated in emotion. Not a single solitary ounce of it. It is predicated in the philosophical argument that it is immoral and unethical to rob from Peter to pay Paul and all the other tyrannical mechanisms that have brought us to this point. This is a position of integrity and morality. Not a position of whining because I have to pay taxes.
Fifth, I have zero disdain for people based upon their income. I have disdain for people based upon their work ethic and the subsequent policies they forward which lifts money out of my pocket, turning me, and many other people, into their personal tax serfs.
Sixth, if this is off putting, then I really don't give a shit. Because anything else is, well, a largely emotional argument. The entire basis of how we've ended up at this point is specifically because of emotionally based populism.

End of list of reasons why you're way off base. Seriously, keep that troll detector up a little better next time. And don't forget that I spent hundreds of hours volunteering to help people that were actually poor.

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 Post subject: Re: 44th President Barack Obama.
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4/5 wrote:
There are plenty of reasonable, logical reasons to favor lower taxes, but an apparent disdain for people born into a lower class world are not among them.


I am not sure that is what LW advocates here. I think he has a great disdain for the self-imposed helplessness of many in the lower classes and the policies preached by those who benefit from keeping them there, but not some inherent hate for them. I tend to agree with that. The cost of hood-rat lifestyles may not be easily quantified in the hundreds of billions like what we see from the wall street criminals, but the damage to our national psyche and the destruction of social cohesion is arguably worse.


Could we please just give New Jersey to the hood rats and let them fend for themselves?

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 Post subject: Re: 44th President Barack Obama.
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I'll probably vote for the guy again. I still need to brush up immensely on my last four years of politics, but is this video painting too rosey of a picture? It sure as hell looks like it.



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I Hail Randy Moss wrote:
I'll probably vote for the guy again. I still need to brush up immensely on my last four years of politics, but is this video painting too rosey of a picture? It sure as hell looks like it.




Have you done your taxes this year yet?

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I'll probably vote for the guy again. I still need to brush up immensely on my last four years of politics, but is this video painting too rosey of a picture? It sure as hell looks like it.




Have you done your taxes this year yet?


My cousin does mine. I haven't heard anything yet. What am I to expect?


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I Hail Randy Moss wrote:
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I'll probably vote for the guy again. I still need to brush up immensely on my last four years of politics, but is this video painting too rosey of a picture? It sure as hell looks like it.




Have you done your taxes this year yet?


My cousin does mine. I haven't heard anything yet. What am I to expect?


Maybe have a check ready to mail.

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