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guy is basically my new hero. new york times magazine ran one of the most extensive pieces i've read in a long time on him this past sunday and jesus christ it's impressive. he's so smart and sensible. i swear, it may have pushed me over the edge toward pursuing a law degree.

story: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/23/magaz ... ens-t.html

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Dude needs to stay alive for about a year and a quarter.

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Incidentally, this part of the article:

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In some instances, Stevens has assigned majority opinions to Kennedy to secure his vote; in others he has chosen to write majority opinions himself in ways that will persuade Kennedy to stay in the liberal camp.


is surely verifiable garbage. No way a Justice of the Supreme Court would "vote" one way or another depending on whether or not he gets to write the opinion.

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shades-go-down wrote:
Incidentally, this part of the article:

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In some instances, Stevens has assigned majority opinions to Kennedy to secure his vote; in others he has chosen to write majority opinions himself in ways that will persuade Kennedy to stay in the liberal camp.


is surely verifiable garbage. No way a Justice of the Supreme Court would "vote" one way or another depending on whether or not he gets to write the opinion.


I don't know. The way an opinion may have a huge bearing on whether a justice will agree to sign on or not. It may be that another justice had the opinion, "yeah, I can agree with this vote, but only if I get to document my reasons why." Being in control of the wording of the precedent setting decision is huge!

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Being in control of the wording of the precedent setting decision is huge!


Yeah but surely a Justice of the Supreme Court will not be swayed to vote against a position because he/she disagrees with some of the wording. Why not then write your own concurring opinion and give your own reasons, rather than come out the other way?

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Being in control of the wording of the precedent setting decision is huge!


Yeah but surely a Justice of the Supreme Court will not be swayed to vote against a position because he/she disagrees with some of the wording. Why not then write your own concurring opinion and give your own reasons, rather than come out the other way?


That's just it. A justice might say, "I don't agree with this decision the way you wrote it. Let ME write it, and I'll be able to word it in a way that I can vote for."

Except, a Supreme Court Justice probably wouldn't end a sentence with a preposition.

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shades-go-down wrote:
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Being in control of the wording of the precedent setting decision is huge!


Yeah but surely a Justice of the Supreme Court will not be swayed to vote against a position because he/she disagrees with some of the wording. Why not then write your own concurring opinion and give your own reasons, rather than come out the other way?


That's just it. A justice might say, "I don't agree with this decision the way you wrote it. Let ME write it, and I'll be able to word it in a way that I can vote for."

Except, a Supreme Court Justice probably wouldn't end a sentence with a preposition.


No I'm not sure we quite understand each other, B. Maybe I'm not making myself clear.

Let's take Furman v. Georgia for example. The question being, does the death penalty in Georgia offend the Eighth Amendment.

Let's pretend we had the present day court adjudicating.

Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, Alito I'm sure would come up with a consistent opinion that the argument has no merit. The constitution was drafted with the clear intention that the death penalty is allowable. The punishment is neither cruel nor unusual as understood by the Eighth Amendment. Mr Furman may be taken to the gallows.

So far so good?

Then we have Souter, Ginsburg, Stevens and Breyer. (In reality they'd disagree on this, but let's pretend Stevens decides to write this opinion and the other three sign it too). Stevens says Georgia's death scheme operates in a very inconsistent way. Any offence seems to be death eligible, and the jury has too much discretion. In any event, America has moved beyond the time when death ought to be considered a proportional punishment. Trop v. Dulles says the Eighth Amendment must be read to ensure punishments accord with the evolving standards of decency that mark the progress of a maturing society. Death should no longer form a part of the American criminal justice system. Mr Furman's sentence is quashed. He can be taken back to the District Courtto be resentenced.

Again, so far so good?

Now, we are 4-4. Kennedy is the swing vote.

Kennedy is thinking, well, I'm not an originalist asshole. The constitution is not frozen in time. At the same time, it is ridiculous to think that the death penalty is per se unconstitutional. Surely the Fifth Amendment itself, which speaks of "jeopardy of life and limb" is an overwhelming obstacle to this idea.

But I'll tell you what. Georgia's system sucks ass. Death is available in any case from a simple shoplift to the mosty heinous murder. Juries seem to be using the power in a very inconsistent way. There's evidence to suggest convicted murderers of white victims are much more likely to receive death than if they killed a black person. And that is but one of the many inconsistencies. The juries need more guidance, and the death eligibility for crimes needs to be narrowed.

I say quash the conviction, and let the man be retried. If Georgia wants the death penalty again, it'll have to come up with a better system.

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Apologies for the tortuous example, but I think it illustrates the point. If what the article is saying is correct, then Kennedy, despite agreeing with the Stevens & Co.'s result, would have considered joining Roberts & Co in the majority, simply because he didn't want to be in a majority with such a widely worded opinion.

In such a case, the sensible thing to do (and I'm sure in Kennedy's mind, the only option) is to write a concurrence expressing his own reasons without joining in the words of Stevens & Co

Am I making any sense at all?

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Eminent domain :thumbsdown:


Not to get into another discussion about it (I think there's a separate thread), but let's be fair. When limited and used judiciously, it can serve the public good. If the Chicago Transit Authority needs to expand its subway system, and the only holdout among 3,500 property owners is Gertrude Brown who has been living in her rundown home for 40 years, eminent domain does more good.


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Chris_H_2 wrote:
bart d. wrote:
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Not to get into another discussion about it (I think there's a separate thread), but let's be fair. When limited and used judiciously, it can serve the public good. If the Chicago Transit Authority needs to expand its subway system, and the only holdout among 3,500 property owners is Gertrude Brown who has been living in her rundown home for 40 years, eminent domain does more good.

This is what I'm talking about:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 83_pf.html

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bart d. wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:
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Eminent domain :thumbsdown:


Not to get into another discussion about it (I think there's a separate thread), but let's be fair. When limited and used judiciously, it can serve the public good. If the Chicago Transit Authority needs to expand its subway system, and the only holdout among 3,500 property owners is Gertrude Brown who has been living in her rundown home for 40 years, eminent domain does more good.

This is what I'm talking about:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 83_pf.html


I assumed as much, which is thread to which I referred.


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guy is basically my new hero. new york times magazine ran one of the most extensive pieces i've read in a long time on him this past sunday and jesus christ it's impressive. he's so smart and sensible. i swear, it may have pushed me over the edge toward pursuing a law degree.

story: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/23/magaz ... ens-t.html

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Brennan was my Supreme Court hero.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Brennan

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punkdavid wrote:
corduroy_blazer wrote:
guy is basically my new hero. new york times magazine ran one of the most extensive pieces i've read in a long time on him this past sunday and jesus christ it's impressive. he's so smart and sensible. i swear, it may have pushed me over the edge toward pursuing a law degree.

story: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/23/magaz ... ens-t.html

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Brennan was my Supreme Court hero.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Brennan


The Warren Court: brings a tear to my eye

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Clarence Thomas Whines His Way to the Bank
By Frank Rich, The New York Times. Posted October 8, 2007.

What's the difference between a low-tech lynching and a high-tech lynching? A high-tech lynching brings a tenured job on the Supreme Court and a $1.5 million book deal. A low-tech lynching, not so much.

Pity Clarence Thomas. Done in by what he calls "left-wing zealots draped in flowing sanctimony" -- as he describes anyone who challenged his elevation to the court -- he still claims to have suffered as much as African-Americans once victimized by "bigots in white robes." Since kicking off his book tour on 60 Minutes last Sunday, he has been whining all the way to the bank, often abetted by a press claque as fawning as his No. 1 fan, Rush Limbaugh.

We are always at a crossroads with race in America, and so here we are again. The rollout of Justice Thomas's memoir, My Grandfather's Son, is not happening in a vacuum. It follows a Supreme Court decision (which he abetted) outlawing voluntary school desegregation plans in two American cities. It follows yet another vote by the Senate to deny true Congressional representation to the majority black District of Columbia. It follows the decision by the leading Republican presidential candidates to snub a debate at a historically black college as well as the re-emergence of a low-tech lynching noose in Jena, La.

Perhaps most significant of all, Mr. Thomas's woe-is-me tour unfolds against the backdrop of the presidential campaign of an African-American whose political lexicon does not include martyrdom or rage. My Grandfather's Son may consciously or not echo the title of Barack Obama's memoir of genealogy and race, Dreams from My Father, but it might as well be written in another tongue.

It's useful to watch Mr. Thomas at this moment, 16 years after his riveting confirmation circus. He is a barometer of what has and has not changed since then because he hasn't changed at all. He still preaches against black self-pity even as he hyperbolically tries to cast his Senate cross-examination by Joe Biden as tantamount to the Ku Klux Klan assassination of Medgar Evers. He still denies that he is the beneficiary of the very race-based preferences he deplores. He still has a dubious relationship with the whole truth and nothing but, and not merely in the matter of Anita Hill.

This could be seen most vividly on 60 Minutes, when he revisited a parable about the evils of affirmative action that is also a centerpiece of his memoir: his anger about the "tainted" degree he received from Yale Law School. In Mr. Thomas's account, he stuck a 15-cent price sticker on his diploma after potential employers refused to hire him. By his reckoning, a Yale Law graduate admitted through affirmative action, as he was, would automatically be judged inferior to whites with the same degree. The 60 Minutes correspondent, Steve Kroft, maintained that Mr. Thomas had no choice but to settle for a measly $10,000-a-year job (in 1974 dollars) in Missouri, working for the state's attorney general, John Danforth.

What 60 Minutes didn't say was that the post was substantial -- an assistant attorney general -- and that Mr. Danforth was himself a Yale Law graduate. As Mr. Danforth told the story during the 1991 confirmation hearings and in his own book last year, he traveled to New Haven to recruit Mr. Thomas when he was still a third-year law student. That would be before he even received that supposedly worthless degree. Had it not been for Yale taking a chance on him in the first place, in other words, Mr. Thomas would never have had the opportunity to work the Yalie network to jump-start his career and to ascend to the Supreme Court. Mr. Danforth, a senator in 1991, was the prime mover in shepherding the Thomas nomination to its successful conclusion.

Bill O'Reilly may have deemed the 60 Minutes piece "excellent," but others spotted the holes. Marc Morial, the former New Orleans mayor who now directs the National Urban League, told Tavis Smiley on PBS that it was "as though Justice Thomas's public relations firm edited the piece." On CNN, Jeffrey Toobin, the author of the new best-seller about the court, The Nine, said that it was "real unfair" for 60 Minutes not to include a response from Ms. Hill, who was slimed on camera by Mr. Thomas as "not the demure, religious, conservative person" she said she was.

Ms. Hill, who once taught at Oral Roberts University and is now a professor at Brandeis, told me last week that CBS News was the only one of the three broadcast news divisions that did not seek her reaction to the latest Thomas salvos. Mr. Kroft told me that there were no preconditions placed on him by either Mr. Thomas or his publisher. "Our story wasn't about Anita Hill," he said. "Our story was about Clarence Thomas."

In any event, the piece no more challenged Mr. Thomas's ideas than it did his insinuations about Ms. Hill. As Mr. Smiley and Cornel West noted on PBS, 60 Minutes showed an old clip of Al Sharpton at an anti-Thomas rally rather than give voice to any of the African-American legal critics of Justice Thomas's 300-plus case record on the court. In 2007, no less than in 1991, a clownish Sharpton clip remains the one-size-fits-all default representation of black protest favored by too many white journalists.

The free pass CBS gave Mr. Thomas wouldn't matter were he just another celebrity "get" hawking a book. Unfortunately, there's the little matter of all that public policy he can shape -- more so than ever now that John Roberts and Samuel Alito have joined him as colleagues. Indeed, Justice Thomas, elevated by Bush 41, was the crucial building block in what will probably prove the most enduring legacy of Bush 43, a radical Supreme Court. The "compassionate conservative" who turned the 2000 G.O.P. convention into a minstrel show to prove his love of diversity will exit the political stage as the man who tilted American jurisprudence against Brown v. Board of Education. He leaves no black Republican behind him in either the House or Senate.

While actuarial tables promise a long-lived Bush court, the good news is that the polarizing racial politics exemplified by the president and Mr. Thomas is on the wane elsewhere. Fittingly, the book tour for My Grandfather's Son began just as word of Harry Dent's death arrived from South Carolina last weekend. An aide to Strom Thurmond and then to Richard Nixon, Mr. Dent was the architect of the "Southern strategy" that exploited white backlash against the civil-rights movement to turn the South into a Republican stronghold.

Mr. Dent recanted years later, telling The Washington Post when he retired from politics in 1981 that he was sorry he had "stood in the way of rights of black people." His peers and successors have been less chastened. One former Nixon White House colleague, Pat Buchanan, said on "Meet the Press" last weekend that it was no big deal for Republican candidates to skip a debate before an African-American audience because blacks make up only about 10 percent of the voting public and Republicans only get about a tenth of that anyway. It didn't occur to Mr. Buchanan that in 21st-century America many white voters are also offended by politicians who snub black Americans -- whether at a campaign debate or in the rubble of Hurricane Katrina.

Republicans who play the race card may find that it has an expiration date even in the South. In 2000, Mr. Bush could speak at Bob Jones University when it still forbade interracial dating among its students, and John McCain could be tarred as the father of an illegitimate black child in the South Carolina primary. No more. Just ask the former Senator George Allen, the once invincible Republican prince of Virginia, whose career ended in 2006 after his use of a single racial slur.

Mr. Thomas seems ignorant of this changing America. He can never see past his enemies' list, which in his book expands beyond his political foes, Yale and the press to "elite white women" and "paternalistic big-city whites" and "light-skinned blacks." (He does include a warm mention of Mr. Thurmond, a supporter in 1991, without mentioning that the senator hid away a child fathered with a black maid.) Always eager to cast himself as a lynching victim, Mr. Thomas is far more trapped in the past than the 1960s civil-rights orthodoxy he relentlessly demonizes.

The only way he can live with his various hypocrisies, it seems, is to claim that he's the rare honest, politically incorrect black man who has the guts to tell African-Americans what no other black leader will. Thus he asserted to a compliant Jan Crawford Greenburg of ABC News last week that everyone except him tiptoes around talk of intraracial crime and out-of-wedlock births.

This will come as news to the millions of Americans who have heard Mr. Obama, among other African-American leaders whose words give the lie to this bogus claim. But the fact that America's highest court harbors a justice as full of unreconstructed racial bitterness as Clarence Thomas will prove more eye-opening still.


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Stevens, unlike most justices, usually writes the first drafts of his opinions himself and reviews petitions for certiorari within his chambers instead of having his law clerks participate as part of the cert pool.

i'm pretty sure i understand this, but can someone explain it for me?

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Stevens, unlike most justices, usually writes the first drafts of his opinions himself and reviews petitions for certiorari within his chambers instead of having his law clerks participate as part of the cert pool.

i'm pretty sure i understand this, but can someone explain it for me?

If you want your case heard by the Supreme Court, you file a petition for certiorari. The court then decides if it will hear your case or "deny cert", in which case the lower court ruling stands as final. I guess that many Justices don't take as direct an interest in actually reading and deciding on petitions for cert as Stevens does.

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Eminent domain :thumbsdown:


Not to get into another discussion about it (I think there's a separate thread), but let's be fair. When limited and used judiciously, it can serve the public good. If the Chicago Transit Authority needs to expand its subway system, and the only holdout among 3,500 property owners is Gertrude Brown who has been living in her rundown home for 40 years, eminent domain does more good.

This is what I'm talking about:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 83_pf.html


I assumed as much, which is thread to which I referred.

I just noticed this post. Did you read the article? The decision wasn't at all about using Eminent Domain to facilitate mass transit programs or any other traditional public uses. It was about using the powers of Eminent Domain to take property for private use. The gov't stepping in and forcing one property owner to sell to another private party. The case involved a city forcing people out of their waterfront homes so that office buildings could be built.

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