remind me again.

Did Al Qaeda attack us while Bush was President?
Was Bush warned of attacks?
Did Saddam have WMD's or support Al Qaeda?
Is Afaghanistan "mission Accomplished"?
Did Bush say he dooesn't care where Osama was and dooesn't spend much time thinking about him?
Is there more terrorists and insurgents In Iraq now then before?
Did Bush oppose 911 commision?
Did Bush oppose Homeland Security?

Why again are we safer with GW as president?

Because GW says we are, silly.

even if america is safer (which i doubt), the rest of the world isnt... but most americans with their me, me, me attitudes probably dont give a shit about the rest of the world and all... when did we ALL not become human?

of course we don't! Try watching a Bush or Cheney speech sometime to their base, listen to all the boos that erupt any time other countries or what they think or the UN ar ementioned

First, Please READ the 9/11 report.


Let's Go through some of these questions:

*Did Al Qaeda attack us while Bush was President?
*Was Bush warned of attacks?

Yes, al Qaeda did attack us while Bush was president. But, they declared war and attacked us while Bill Clinton was president also.

Clinton had plenty of time after Bin Laden declared war on the US to react. He didn't. Let's think about (the first world trade center attack, the attack on the USS Cole, The Millenium Terror Plot, the Khobar Tower attack ect.) And ask who's watch did the first attacks on America come under?

Intelligence was cut significantly under the Clinton administration.

Clinton also had the opportunity to have Bin Laden killed... didn't take it.

And was Clinton warned of planes flying into buidlings? YES. Much more specifically then Bush was while in office. Ever, look into what documents Sandy Berger got caught stuffing in his pockets and socks?

However, with all this intelligence, do I blame Clinton OR Bush? NO. Like the 9/11 commission says it was neither Clinton or Bush's fault. In fact, remarkably it was the terrorists fault. And poor intelligence was something that needed to be strengthened in order to combat al Qaeda.

Specifically... al Qaeda attacked us while Bush was president and HE DID something about it. 75% of al Qaeda has been killed or captured. Two former breeding grounds for terrorists are being democratized.

AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WE HAVE NOT BEEN ATTACKED AGAIN!

*Did Saddam have WMD's or support Al Qaeda?

Simply put YES TO BOTH.

here's some facts on Saddam and Iraq:

-Saddam invaded 2 countries and fired scuds (some laced) at Isreal and Saudi Arabia.
-He attempted to assasinate the former President of the US.
-He agreed to follow UN demands after the 1st gulf War.
-He violated 17 of those UN resolutions (demands).
-****PAGE 66 in 9/11 commision book>>> Bin Laden while having a difficult time with the Taliban in the 90's sent message to Saddam regarding safe haven. Saddam did not reply (at this point he was being inspected by the UN inspectors prior to kicking them out of Iraq). A year or so later it was Saddam who sent a delagation to Afghanistan to explain that Iraq would provide safe-haven to Bin-Laden and al-Qaeda. Bin Laden explained that things had been working better with the Taliban.
-Zarqawi (al Qaeda) was in Iraq prior to the US led invasion. And has been there since. He is said to be responsible for the decapitation that we have all unfortunately seen on TV. He has recently (once again) acknowleged on video that he serves Bin Laden.
-Saddam killed his millions of his own people.
-He led a totalitarian regime and broke our form of a treaty by violating the UN resolutions.
-Saddam had used weapons of mass destruction before.
-WMD has not been found in stock piles... but they have been found. (Sarin and Mustrad Gas)


*Is Afaghanistan "mission Accomplished"?

Not completely, but free elections (that took place last week with a higher percentage turnout than the US elections) for the first time in that nations history was a pretty good start.



*Did Bush say he dooesn't care where Osama was and dooesn't spend much time thinking about him?


Did he ever say those words... yes..>>> were they taken out of context >>>>yes. If you read all of what he said... he explained that capturing one man would not do the job when talking about al Qaeda. It would be a moral vicotory to kill or capture Osama (and he clearly wants that... which he has explained) but the real task is killing or capturing all of the individuals. Leaders can be replaced. That was his point. Personally, if I had to choose.... I would rather have 75% of al Qaeda killed than have Osama Bin Laden killed. And who is to say Bin Laden hasn't been killed?

*Is there more terrorists and insurgents In Iraq now then before?

Let me rephrase this as a question to you...

Would you prefer our military to face terrorists abroad (Iraq) or have your family be faced with them here?

Zarqawi was in Iraq prior to the invasion.... And he's still there. Terrorists have been flooding into Iraq because they realize the importance of that fight. If Iraq becomes a stable democracy. With Afghanistan (a stable democracy) to the east. Sandwhiched in the middle is Iran. It is very well known that the population (especially the young) in Iran are against there leadership and the majority is pro-democracy. Thus, Iran may fall. And lead to a chain reaction (ie. other middle eastern countries). Is this definetly going to happen? Not necessarily... but at least it's an offensive plan. What's the alternative? Hide under your bed?


*Did Bush oppose 911 commision?
*Did Bush oppose Homeland Security?

At first he disagreed with the framework of each... He later compromised on the framework and instituted each.


So with all that said... let's talk about Kerry

I sat on a thumb tack the other day. I just dont feel safe anymore and i dont know who i can trust. Damn terrorists...putting thumb tacks on my chair.

I don't like to admit it but Haliburton is now making thumbtacks. Bush sponsored a no-bid contract to Haliburton to begin production of thumbtacks yesterday. He also bought stock in the company.

Bush was quoted as saying "anything that is detrimental to the environment, I am for. I figured there was someway we could use thumbtacks in the rain forests to chop them down or maybe we can burn them to let off some sort of pollution. Maybe we can use them with all the oil we are swimming in over in Iraq. Because remember this war was for oil, even though the price of a barrel of oil is $55.... yea Haliburton, Pollution, Big Business, Oil, and thumbtacks.... fuck yea!"

I find it very very sad that saveuplife and others feel that saying what Clinton did or did not do is a great defense of Bush.

I disagree with most of what you said about what Clinton did and didn't do but that's not the point. CLINTON ISN'T RUNNING FOR OFFICE!!!!!

how can you disagree about clinton? its a known fact

Oh goody!! I love it when people speak about Americans like this!!!

pjdoll... and god bless ya... but if you dont think that this is the way about 80% of our country feels and acts, then you must not be in touch with too many people, especially the social mainstream

That's horseshit & you know it. How many people do you know (on a % basis) that are truly like this. Americans have a gruff "stay the hell away from me" attitude, but people in this country give more money to charity than any other nation, by far. We also tend to be very happy to send aid to areas that need it (think Florida recently, or NYC after 9/11). The people of this country are some of the most generous and caring you'll ever meet, even if they don't always walk around with flowers singing.

Oh, God bless you too

You are definitely going to have to elaborate on this 80% accusation. Also, define what a "me, me, me attitude" is.

i will reply to this today if i get time... cant quite get away from my students to write much at this time, but i want to respond... dont you go thinkin youve got me on this one pjdoll... im no chicken dodgin your response, though you have a very good one...


bawk bawk

Because remember this war was for oil, even though the price of a barrel of oil is $55.... yea Haliburton, Pollution, Big Business, Oil, and thumbtacks.... fuck yea!"[/quote]

Sure the price of a barrel is 55$, and who is profitting from it? You? Well from the rant at least you got the "war for oil" part right. Let me know when you go back to loving and trusting the Arabs in your neighbourhood. And I am sure they will show you the same respect.

Very good... Clinton is not running for office! Someone give this boy a star sticker!

However, my point was that Clinton was in office for a long amount of time and did absolutely nothing after the events I mentioned. Sometimes when criticizing someone's job it is a good policy to look at how others handled the job. That's what I did. If you read what I wrote I explained that 9/11 was not Clinton's fault... nor was it Bush's, instead it was the fault of the individuals who flew the planes into our buildings. I know that it is hard for some people to grasp... but these individuals did the act... it wasn't Bush... and it wasn't Clinton. If one implies that it was Bush's fault, they should be open-minded enough to look at Clinton's record... which is alot more dirty than Bush's... and that is the truth.

With that said... I like to hear your responses on the other issues I mentioned... or do you have none?

First, please sign up for an economics class, while taking the class specifically look up the word cartel, look up OPEC.... find out what demand means... then look at China and other booming production economies.... after that please get back to me on this. Thanks!

Clinton did more to stop terrorism than any other president before him. He tried numerous times to kill bin Laden. Seriously, it's idiotic to go back and forth with someone who's just gonna believe the shit that comes from the right wing machine. Still doesn't answer why Clinton has anything to do with whether or not Bush is going to make us safer.

it's amazing that the right wing believes this stuff, as long as it is repeated over and over suddenly it becomes a "known fact"

Economics to know that you and I are going to pay for oil no matter how much they charge. Or economics to know that some people are greedy and trying to get real rich over controlling oil prices.

And as you like to point out. Foreign policies from all you previous presidents flew those planes into those buildings. Real world 101. Get back to me when you finish your economics class. You can grasp that can't you?

edit: Maybe you could throw in a special on how the trickle down effect really works.

get real PJDoll with your eye rolling. Poll after poll people vote based on whether or not they've lost their job despite what other issues affect the economy. It's funny that you think we're so generous as a country, we give far less as a percentage of GDP than other idustrialized nations to international efforts.

yeah you must also have forgotten how people complained about the Red Cross using some money to save for future disasters, the people who fought for every little dime of 9/11 money they could, the people that begrudged someone getting money from victim's funds, the people who facked deaths to get money. All of that good will lasted a short perioud of time. We're not the worst country out there but we are ethnocentric and nationalistic....that's not an absurd statement