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given2trade wrote:
Winter's Love wrote:
given2trade wrote:
Winter's Love wrote:
Well yeah, at the root of all this is that both sides see people as objects: "We lost 30 people! MUST GET REFUND!" instead of realizing "Ohhhh right, we're killing people too."
Again:
1) Side blows up innocent people. 2) Other side blows up other people back in much more sophisticated attacks (trying to hit military people but also usually kills innocent people too).
This argument is so absurd. If Canada kept blowing up our buses we would blow them off the face of the Earth. Even more so, if Canada elected as leaders the people who were in charge of blowing up the buses, we would really blow them off the face of the Earth.
I kind of liked when Hamas was elected. Showed how stupid Bush really is with his "Democracy is the best!'. Just because people get elected doesn't make them "good".
See but Israel has broken cease-fires too friend. They're not just retaliating every time.
Really? Show me ONE time when Israel has blown up a non military target. ONE TIME. They have never gone on the offensive. You are the one defining "cease fire". Show me a link to where they have broken a cease fire? How do you even have a cease fire with a government that is only good at blowing people up? How can Hamas keep it's power with peace? bwahahhahaha
Ehh...this is so dumb. Google "Jews Arabs Israel War" and I'm sure you can read some good arguments why Israel is in the right.
Oh ok man, lemme just pull up my extensive Jew/Arab war file and I'll find the colormarked page. To try to argue that Israel is totally in the right here is just impossible.
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given2trade wrote:
It's been so long since I've gotten a blowjob, I'd be ok with some scraping.
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given2trade wrote:
glorified_version wrote:
You got to love the generic bag of responses from the State Department:
"The United States urges Hamas to stop firing rockets from Gaza into Israel."
"We urge them (the Israelis) to avoid civilian casualties."
fucking laughable.
Actually, I couldn't have said that better myself. What's the problem?
The problem is shelling out $900 million a year to fix a problem that never gets solved, that's the fucking irony here.
How about,
"We urge our brain-damaged US politicians who sit in the pockets of Evangelical churches to stop forking money over the Israeli welfare-state/industrial-military complex."
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LittleWing sometime in July 2007 wrote:
Unfortunately, it's so elementary, and the big time investors behind the drive in the stock market aren't so stupid. This isn't the false economy of 2000.
You got to love the generic bag of responses from the State Department:
"The United States urges Hamas to stop firing rockets from Gaza into Israel."
"We urge them (the Israelis) to avoid civilian casualties."
fucking laughable.
Actually, I couldn't have said that better myself. What's the problem?
The problem is shelling out $900 million a year to fix a problem that never gets solved, that's the fucking irony here.
How about,
"We urge our brain-damaged US politicians who sit in the pockets of Evangelical churches to stop forking money over the Israeli welfare-state/industrial-military complex."
Are you fucking serious?
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way to assert yourself right off the bat
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LittleWing sometime in July 2007 wrote:
Unfortunately, it's so elementary, and the big time investors behind the drive in the stock market aren't so stupid. This isn't the false economy of 2000.
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Actually, I wasn't being serious. It was closer to $2.4 billion last year.
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LittleWing sometime in July 2007 wrote:
Unfortunately, it's so elementary, and the big time investors behind the drive in the stock market aren't so stupid. This isn't the false economy of 2000.
Where do you think Arafat got all his money? Billions of dollars in aid from countries all over the world was given to Arafat to help the Palestinian people.
Why has none of those monies ever been used to build those poor people a viable economy? BECAUSE IT WAS SPENT ON WARFARE.
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Oh, those are the terms?
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LittleWing sometime in July 2007 wrote:
Unfortunately, it's so elementary, and the big time investors behind the drive in the stock market aren't so stupid. This isn't the false economy of 2000.
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The United States stops forking money over to Israel because of the Evangelical lobbies, for one.
That's the only thing we can do as citizens anyways.
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LittleWing sometime in July 2007 wrote:
Unfortunately, it's so elementary, and the big time investors behind the drive in the stock market aren't so stupid. This isn't the false economy of 2000.
The United States stops forking money over to Israel because of the Evangelical lobbies, for one.
That's the only thing we do as citizens anyways.
Do you know how rich Israel is? How rich the filthy Jews are? Forget the U.S. money.
Tell me, what do you think should happen outside of our "intervention"? Do you think if we split up the holy land the poverty in Palestine and the middle east would end and they'd stop blowing up Jews?
Again, I can't recall a time when Jews have gone on the offensive and targeted civilians on purpose...
The reason why this debate is so funny to me is because it seems anyone with ANY rationality agrees that Israel is 95% in the right. I simply don't see the other side of the debate.
Israel 5% at fault. Agree. Let's move on.
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The United States stops forking money over to Israel because of the Evangelical lobbies, for one.
That's the only thing we can do as citizens anyways.
But I thought you said that Americans call the "good patriotic Christians" anti-semites. If the evangelicals are anti-semitic, why would they be lobbying for aid to Israel?
Are you confused?
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I agree that we should stop supporting Israel militarily, but this miltary action isn't unreasonable. They disengaged from Gaza, what else do you want them to do here? They certainly have an obligation to their citizens that are in the areas affected by rockets, don't they? Israel is completely in the wrong in the West Bank, but I don't imagine Hamas' rockets are in solidarity with their occupied brothers there.
The United States stops forking money over to Israel because of the Evangelical lobbies, for one.
That's the only thing we can do as citizens anyways.
But I thought you said that Americans call the "good patriotic Christians" anti-semites. If the evangelicals are anti-semitic, why would they be lobbying for aid to Israel?
Are you confused?
*he think that the evangelicals support Israel cause we need the Jews there when Jesus returns*
I agree that we should stop supporting Israel militarily
I disagree. So long as we are supporting ANY country militarily, we can pick and choose who it is we support. If we stop supporting Israel then we should stop supporting EVERY country we already support.
We supported Saddam Hussein, and it bit us in the ass. When has Israel ever bitten us in the ass?
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I agree that we should stop supporting Israel militarily
I disagree. So long as we are supporting ANY country militarily, we can pick and choose who it is we support. If we stop supporting Israel then we should stop supporting EVERY country we already support.
We supported Saddam Hussein, and it bit us in the ass. When has Israel ever bitten us in the ass?
Right...why exactly is spending a few billion a year against the U.S. interest?
My favorite line:
"There is no justification for punishing 1.5 million Palestinians in Gaza because of the actions of a few."
We went to war with IRAQ and killed tens of thousands of innocent people when *how many* people in IRAQ harmed the United States?
bwahahhahaa. I know two wrongs don't make a right but what a joke.
I actually think the U.S. supporting Israel is the BEST use of our military dollars. If we want any stability in that region we need to make sure Israel remains powerful because once they are gone guess who will be the next target?
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"My son is gone, my son is gone," wailed Said Masri, a 57-year-old shopkeeper, as he sat in the middle of a Gaza City street, slapping his face and covering his head with dust from a bombed-out security compound nearby.
He said he had sent his 9-year-old son out to purchase cigarettes minutes before the airstrikes began and could not find him. "May I burn like the cigarettes, may Israel burn," Masri moaned.
Isn't that wonderful. That's the best quote they could find?
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The United States stops forking money over to Israel because of the Evangelical lobbies, for one.
That's the only thing we can do as citizens anyways.
But I thought you said that Americans call the "good patriotic Christians" anti-semites. If the evangelicals are anti-semitic, why would they be lobbying for aid to Israel?
Are you confused?
*he think that the evangelicals support Israel cause we need the Jews there when Jesus returns*
who cares, what does this have to do with anything
edit: lol - I said "we need the jews there". i've been outed.
outed as what? messianic?
I don't think US support of Israel is so much to do with Jesus' second coming. It's more akin to being another strategic placeholder in the world as it concerns the spreads of democracy and capitalism.
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