With the election and swearing of Obama over I'm hoping we can focus on Obama the person and lose the continual reference to his race. I find any reference to a person as the first of some subset to achieve anything a pretty ridiculous thing to refer to. To me people are people and Obama's not the first black president to me, he's just the 44th.

But this left me thinking about race. Is there a scientific basis to race? Or is race just a social construct? Does race serve a useful purpose to society? To do away with racism do we need to do away with race?

Some people have an average beauty, or tendency to be attractive more than other people.
Like, it is more probable that a japanese girl is pretty than a korean one. Thats all I need to know

after yesterday no. It's important to note, but

The goal is to be judged on the content of the persons character.

I think the majority of people voted for Obama because they liked their perception of him rather than simply his skin color. As it becomes more common now it will cease to become such big news to people. Because it's the first time, it's a big deal to a lot of people. Race will always be a big deal to segments of the population but essentially yesterday is a good first step in the media making less of a deal over what color of skin someone has.

if we're talking about biological foundations, no, there is (from what i gather) no scientific basis to race.

Except it's the exact opposite.

Yes is yes. A hot chick is a hot chick. And most importantly drinking lowers my standards while still fooling me into believing she's a hot chick.

So just get me drunk and say yes and all is good in the world.

Yeah, really.

Orpheus probably finds Italian, French, German, and Scandinavian girls ugly.

No I don't actually. Do you think that someone that likes black and asian girls automatically dislikes white girls? That would be awfully silly.

Fuck no, the average korean girl is ugly, here and there you can find a decent looking one, but they are the exception by far. Their skull has a bizarre boxy shape, their faces looked like someone has seated on it and farted, the eyes are too strectched.

and the nose is atrophied.

Dude, what the fuck are you talking about?

Koreans are some of the only asians who aren't usually skin and bones. Japanese girls tend to be skinny with little to no ass. This is a fact, HB.

The fact that face harmony is still important, but yeah, with a paper bag over their heards i would be able to bang them i guess.

i'm pretty sure this thread will advance my understanding of the human condition to levels i never dreamed possible.

That last post was a little strange, but in general, Human Bass is correct.

ok, but to a couple generations of Black Americans that are the descendants of slaves, my guess would be they felt pretty nifty about Obama being the first black President. Why would that be hard to understand and empathize with on your part?


no scientific basis for race.
Race is a social construct.
Serve a useful purpose? I don't know what that question is in reference to, please elaborate.
To do away with racism, my guess would be we'd have to erase the memories of every racist fuck in the country and reteach them that people are people regardless of skin color and should be treated as such, in much the same way as assholes are assholes regardless of skin color and should be treated as such.

Honestly I don't see what this thread is supposed to do- I mean what discussion are you trying to have? Is racism over with in the USA now that Obama is President?
Are people ready to stop judging each other based on their differences?

Obama being President isn't a huge leap forward in the struggle this country has with racism, it's a step.
Change in social attitude is not an immediate thing, it's usually an generational thing, and takes a very long time.

To be honest I don't think Obama is much of a step forward at all. To me it shows what has been true for the majority of my own lifetime; that is, african-americans can advance just as far as anyone else because of who they are not what they look like.

Mostly the implication that there are all of these great african-americans who should be in positions of power in the country but they aren't because of their skin is what gets me. The bigger a deal is made about Obama the more I feel like people are saying there have always been people like Obama around, ready to be the hero of the world, but we wouldn't let them until now.

I just don't buy it. Racism is likely very nearly as prominent today as it was 2 years ago, before Obama began his campaign.

Further, I think racism has been an isolated and regional thing for a while now, most of my lifetime at least. I think that as a country we transcended racism long ago, but the fight still goes on on a smaller level. Obama is certainly a landmark in history, but I have my doubts that he is an indication of some new development against race.

You have a warped sense of beauty, my friend.

you're contradicting yourself.

either black people in the US can advance as far as they want to or racism is just as prominent now as before... which one?

and I don't don't understand your other statement either, now that I think about it- what do you mean the implication is that there are a ton of people who have been waiting to be hero of the world but we wouldn't let them until now?

How is that being implied? Honestly I live in Boston, MA and for all their liberalism and touted elitism in this area, they are a bunch of racist bastards who have given no indication to me that they feel there's a ton of people just like Obama who are now allowed to be hero of the world or whatever- they are, as you state, just as racist now as before, yet the fact that there is now a president voted into office apparently without regard to his skin color indicates to me that it is, indeed a step forward.

Sorry you don't see that, but I do.

Would Obama have been as popular if he wasn't half-white?